The Pankian Metaphor 3021

So we could sum up this exchange as: blmblm attempts a joke,bah replies "That's not funny!" ?

Fair enough. Time for me to stop beating the horse.

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As I understand it, the point you are making, over and over, is that the Democrats represent a threat to Western civilization, and the Republicans do not. It almost sounds here like you're implying that critizing the Democrats is (or can be) about attempting to preserve civilization, while criticizing the Republicans is invariably just "politlcal disagreements."

I'm not willing to concede your basic point about the D's versus the R's, but that may be sheer bias on my part, in which case it won't be useful to go on here.

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You missed my point. I'm not making excuses; I'm saying that if a person is not both able and willing to do something, it's not going to get done. I don't think it's admirable or even particularly excusable that people aren't more willing to do stuff that's inconvenient or uncomfortable; I'm just saying that I think it's reality. Whether that "reality" can be changed ....

People can be made to do things they're not eager to do, as in your example with babies. But that seems to require some kind of outside force.

People can also become willing to do something they previously weren't willing to do, if circumstances change, or someone very persuasive changes their minds. I guess I don't have a lot of confidence in the latter being practical.

Idealism versus cynicism, maybe.

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