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Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard 1437


Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard 1439
If someone wants my financial data, they will find it simplest to drive over here, grab a log from...

snip sparks (not et flames) of an incipient breakdown in communication

This conversation indicates the existence of a substantial cultural divide. The existence of that gap indicates that there is considerable room for improvement in the security of software in general and the quality of software engineering in security systems.

Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard 1440
Sure. In this case, you want the computer to self-destruct. Security can take completely opposite forms. It all depends on what you're...

It appears to me that both sides in the debate are buttuming that the opposing participants lack some essential knowledge, experience, or atbreastude. And I suspect those buttumptions are accurate, but not as severe as may be perceived.

We can fix that deficit by articulating the aspects of the issues that appear to be getting less than the necessary attention in the discussion. But dismissing other participants as clueless is a way of ignoring the aspects they may be trying to express.

Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard 1438
Yup. And you're doing a wonderful job yakking across the divide. I'm seeing a lot of useful info going back and forth and people learning. I see the ones areas of no...

This is important. The reason I state that claim so bluntly is that in the preceding 10 years the primary security threat has changed. Prior to that point in time the primary threat in almost every situation was the frailty and unreliability of the human elements of the systems. After that point the primary threat in a very large fraction of systems was the really bad software on which the systems relied.

For as long as the above described zeitgeist gap exists we are going to continue to have problems in the field. It the problem of bad software and bad security are reduced to the point that the human element resumes its position as the biggest threat then we will indeed have made progress.

tj3


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