Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard 1438

Yup. And you're doing a wonderful job yakking across the divide. I'm seeing a lot of useful info going back and forth and people learning.

I see the ones areas of no knowledge I poke as very serious. If I didn't, I would not waste their time poking at the gaps.

I've only seen one and a half that are completely clueless. I am an inhabitant of a.f.c. This newsgroup does not have that pervasive newsgroup habit of completely dismissing the whole human being just because he's wrong-incorrect-ignorant of one aspect. So a disagreement or fight in this group never implies that the recipient is 100% wrong. If anyone thought so, we'ld say it explicitly.

It still is human fraility but once-removed. This makes the behaviour "invisible". I don't think we've even begun to define the problem yet.

Yup. And it has to be the programmers (not the coders) who are going to have to train managers. This will take balls and risks and hard work. The atbreastudes have been burnt in with the Micropoo fad of the last 10 years.

Training the manager would have been the way we (where I worked) would have addressed the problem. There are a lot of a.f.c. types who wouldn't have done this training. I don't know an answer.

BAH

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