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: : : : I was comparing German beer to that of the UK. But, US microbrews : have : : tended to even the score. I'd take a good beer from them over that : of : : the : : UK as well. : : : Not my fault you have poor taste. Americans drink cold beer because : they : : don't : : like the flavour and have to anesthetize their taste buds.:-) : : As for US microbrews, that wheat beer is worse than anything I've : ever : : tasted : : anywhere at any time. : : You have obviously never been to a decent microbrew pub. Try the one : in : Baltimore sometime. Get the Maerzen. : What's that, worse? Better than any English ale... : : : : : Wasn't one of your beers advertised as having no after-taste? It : had : : : no before-taste either. : : : Samuel Adams isn't too bad, but no match for Theakston's Olde : : Peculiar. : : : : Go to the Augustiener beergarten in Munich and get a liter. Better : : than : : anything in the UK. : : : I'm not going to France just get a German beer when I haven't : sampled : : all English brews yet. : : France? Munich? Perhaps you need to put down the hash pipe? : Two bites, one hook, the other was Steve O'Hara-Smith. Proud of yourself?

Bragging rights, pal. I learnt that in the USA. It's not British to gloat, but I thought a Yank might understand it.

: Perhaps you need to take up the fishing rod, they tell me the : early bird catches the fishbait. Don't they have a ferry into Germany these days?

Good grief, no. Compebreastion between the ferry operators and the Chunnel operators is fierce, no room for the small operator. Riding the ferry is done at Xmas to stock up on cheaper booze. Roll on, stay on. Drink beer while crossing.

: : : : What you mean to say is that we pattern our power elite after : your : : : own. : : : : : Of course I mean to say it. I prefer example, it's obviously : carried : : : the correct message. : : : : Yes, defend the elites while they steal from you. : : : I wouldn't vote for the Bush family, I'm not the dumb. : : But enough people are as he was re-elected. : A full 50% of all Brits are above average intelligence, while half : of all Yanks are below average intelligence. Yet, we managed to save your butts in two world wars and whipped you twice to boot!

Nonsense, Britain saved your butt. You were caught with your pants down when Japan woke you up at Pearl Harbour, and Germany was developing an ICBM to hit New York and Washington. You tried sitting on the fence against Napoleon, Hitler and Hirohito; it didn't work. "we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, " -- Great Uncle Winston.

The only thing more certain today than back in 1812, is that if you blokes came over to police us colonialists, ever since that time until now, is the fact that we'd kick your butt again.

We were busy with Nappy in 1812, Tchaikovsky wrote an Overture about it. There was no point in fighting you lot, but if we'd failed against Nappy you turncoats would be speaking French and be a province of Quebec. You do know that Detroit, New Orleans, San Francisco and Miami are not English names, right? We saved your arse there too. A few years ago Wendy's had old newspapers printed on the tables in their burger joints, full of advertisements for British made goods, not French or Spanish junk.

: : When asked what he'd do about the greenhouse effect, Bush Sr. : : replied "They haven't seen the white house effect yet". Now we have, : : no more Big Easy. Defend the elite while they steal from you. Your : : breadbasket will move to Canada, Florida will sink beneath the : waves : : like Atlantis before it. Go on, carry on melting the ice, be : : irresponsible. : : I'm afraid that even when the naysayers agree that something needs : to be done, what we do won't fix it. Their belief is that, given : enough : proof of a problem, that somehow we'll fix it. I think it will get : worse : before it gets better. How much worse is the question. : : : : Spooks infiltrated with oil barons. MI-6 with BP like the CIA : and : : : Gulf. : : : But is that progress or only a better way for the haves to : have : : more? : : : : : : I don't doubt that the UK taught us how to run sugar from : years : : of : : : experience with opium. And before you write that off as : criminals : : and : : : the : : : like; I'm talking about our governments! : : : : : You've found yet more examples. : : : What you mean to say is that you pattern your power elite after : our : : own. : : : : Yes, but I'm not proud of the fact! : : : Not much I can do, is there? Humanity is out of control as it always : : was, heading toward famine and global war. : : There is always something that can be done. : Yah... it's always been someone else's problem. There was a tale of woe : on British TV the other night about a Chinese woman forced into : end, : but dammit, the population explosion has to be brought under control. That is what Hitler thought too...

Yeah... he had a point, but went about it the wrong way. Free condoms would have been cheaper than free plants, then all would have prospered.

: If the Chinese make a law saying one child only, then tough if she gets : pregnant the second time. But of course the press wants to stir up an : emotional response and start a frigging famine without regard when the : world population is tripled 100 years down the road. By then we should have colonies off the planet making declarations of independence and the like.

I don't know of any, but since the human population doubles in 34 years it will only take 34 years to fill Mars, and there are no steaks on the hoof, pork chops, Maine lobster or Gulf shrimp... not even a crawdad or a muskie. Heck, I doubt there's even a spud, a loaf of Italian bread, an American muffin or a refried bean. That's a whole lot more important than any declaration of independence. : The cure for famine is rest of the hungry. : The math is simple, the solution will be found by Nature whether we : cry now or cry later. One rest is a tragedy, one billion rests is a : statistic. Can you envision the planet's well being as total destruction of the human race and actually accept that as a fact where you sit right now?

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein

: : : : The UK has invested wisely, and not in Tunisia. : : : : The pound is still the strongest unit of currency in the : world. : : : $1.80 to : : : : the £1.00. : : : : We are but 4 states to your 50. Just rubbing it in. : : : : : : Nothing to rub in. : : : I was echoing something someone said to me. : : : : : : : Our country founded on the basis of the common man has : : : allowed the elites to take over based upon what they learned : from : : : their UK : : : counterparts. Be proud of that while inflation eats away at : your : : slave : : : wages. Fool! : : : : : Our country founded on the basis of the clbutt system allowed the : : elites : : : to take over based on the Norman Conquest of 1066. Britain amde : a : : lot : : : of money out of he slave trade, then you let them all go and now : : you've : : : got ghettos. Idiot! : : : : Why did you free yours? : : : They couldn't survive well in a colder climate. What's black and : doesn't : : work? : : Half of London. : : Only half? You ought to see Washington DC sometime. : Yeah, I have. And Aliquippa PA and Bradford England. Now we have : riots in Birmingham, and I don't mean Alabama. Alabama in the US has too much hurricane devastation to have riots at present.

How are they doing in LA these days? Is Rodney King still on PCP?

: The melting pot is coming to the boil, the stew is about to overflow. : When Harry Truman said "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the : kitchen" all the cooks went to watch TV in the lounge. Now we get : rogan josh on pizza instead of fish'n chips or roast beef and : yorkshire pud. : 1 lb mutton or lamb or goat leg or rib meat : 1 teaspoon red chili powder : 1-2 teaspoon shonth : 1-2 badiyan : 3 cloves : 1 teaspoon Cumin : 1-2 teaspoon cinnamon : Pinch of heeng : 2 tablespoon yogurt : 2 big elaichi (cardamom) : 2 small elaichi (cardamom) : 3 teaspoon of oil : Salt to taste Man, you guys with food is like the US with public transportation.

Asian food, mate. If you like goat, make sure your taste buds can stand a pint of English ale at cellar temperature. We can sell you buses and trains if you need them, we've more experience than anyone. How about a nice Concorde, Mach 2 luxury to get you anywhere? The Rolls Royce of aircraft. The Indians and Paki's wont buy unfortunately, and we dont really like goat or possum.

: : : BTW, if you want to get into a flame war, my Anglo-Saxon is : better : : : than yours, f***ing stupid ****. : : : About the best you can manage is 'butthole', 'motherf***er' and : : : 'jerk-off'. : : : : : Nothing sillier than an overproud America other than an : overproud : : : Brit! : : : : : Agreed, so why start it? I began with facts, you reverted to : flame. : : : : Your facts smack of opinions. : : : Of course. It is my opinion that black people were captured by the : : English : : and sold to Americans who enslaved them, my opinion that Americans : : displaced its aboriginal peoples, dissolutioning any that resisted, my : : opinion that Andrew Jackson was a mbutt liquidateer who defied John : : Marshall, : : my opinion that the USA consumes a great percentage of the worlds : : fossil fuels than any other Nation, and my opinion that our : forefathers : : and : : we are responsible for the impending disaster. Why that should : enbreastle : : you : : to switch from friendly banter to open hostility by calling me a : fool is : : matter of your own opinionated point of view, isn't it? : : I thought the Portuguese were the slave traders? Open hostility by : calling : you a fool? Okay, you're not a fool, just very thin skinned... : LOL ... I lived in Florida for a while. Have you ever watched a 'gator? : Like any good 'gator my bite is far worse than my bark; water off : a duck's back is no comparison to eyes peeping just above the surface. I understand that gators actually taste good and their skins make fine purses and the like.

Yeah? Must be a lot of feathers with the 11 herbs and spices Colonel Fried Pennsyltucky churns out, not much good for purses, though. How about fried "Don't read on me " rattlesnake or raccoon caps with the tail hanging down?

: "The Fourth of July never fails to reinspire my patriotism and sense of : community with my fellow Americans, even when those fellow Americans are : a mob of drunken cretins and teenagers trying to get out of downtown : Chicago at 11pm. Reminds me of the time in Sachsenhausen back in 1976, when two Brits spotted me wearing a "Maryland is for Crabs" tee-shirt and wanted to "fire me up". After about 2-3 hours of walking the streets of Frankfurt and them realizing I wasn't some A-hole, they let me go. But it WAS a close call.

Yeah, we've got our share of arseholes here too. Trouble is we've not got my old pals Smith and Wesson to take care of them, more's the pity. We've got police cameras to record the evidence, watched by cops sitting on their duffs scoffing doughnuts. At least your cops eat doughnuts in the 7-11 and go there packing. : I like seeing all the American flags. I do have my complaints about the : American government, especially about how intimately the Washington D.C. : politicians feel they should be involved in the daily lives of their : subjects, I mean, citizens. But the flag isn't just a symbol of the : American government. It's a symbol of shared American values -- : especially our highest common value: freedom. Which we don't have from oil... : The meaning of Old Glory can get mixed up with the rights and wrongs of : the perpetually new-and-improved government. The meaning of "Don't Tread : on Me" is unmistakable. " : Those "shared American values" were British values when the Mayflower : left Plymouth. : Old Glory is red, white and blue even if it doesn't have mixed crosses : on it. : Britain does not have a consbreastutional right to free speech, we have : free speech : without it and don't EVER let nyone try to stop it or they will be : bitten by : an Olde English bulldog turned 'gator. : We've just celebrated the 200th aniversary of Trafalgar, having kicked : the : butt of the guy who sold you the swamp called Louisana. : I'd back Nelson against the Pittsburgh Pirates anyday, and hope never : to need to. ??

"Most unnerving of all for the captains of the fleet was the knowledge that they were about to put themselves against the most skilful sea captain of all time - Horatio Viscount Nelson. Only slightly less awe-inspiring was the British Jack Tar himself, that clay-piped, pig-tailed sailor, who, more often than not, had been recruited by the press gangs from the scourings of the English sea towns. Already an aggressive fighting man by instinct, he had literally been whipped into becoming a magnificent sailor by the iron discipline of autocratic captains for whom the lash was the answer to almost every infringement of the ship«s rules."

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