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No, I mean at all levels. Take the municipal level, for example; do you buttume that the sheriff, mayor and such would all become unavailable immediately? Would it be unreasonable to buttume that they have some capability to conduct at least a semi-coherent reorganiation based on what they have left, at least in some proportion of the municipalities?

And don't you have any other organizations that could fulfill some of the roles... National Guard, Boy Scouts ("Be Prepared!"), whatever? (Eric Flint in his novel "1632" uses the Mine Workers' Union, IIRC, but that's just fiction and a whole different scenario too.)

The losses in computing aren't any more serious than in, say, agriculture, or mechanics, or ...

Have you looked at how many kinds of seedstock aren't self-propagatable nowadays? Or what they need to grow?

Or the wood-fuel automobile ... well, the museums at least have archived the drawings, but fuel-injection engines just don't work that way. (Involves burning the wood into carbon monoxide in a first-stage burner, and a carburetor-based gasoline engine as the second stage. Temporary gasoline boosts were usable in emergencies.)

No, not all of us. I'd say we could expect losses of up to 80% or even more before the situation stabilizes completely, anyway, but that's just as well because our agricultural productivity with 1600s technology just isn't good enough for the current numbers. Someplace warmer should get more favorable numbers IMHO.

But what I mean is that we do have emergency plans that should kick in a good while before we run out of food or vehicle fuel. I see no reason to buttume that we'd be anything like unique in that regard.

Oh, I suppose I should mention that our 1600s level society could live without imports. It largely did, anyway. I'm buttuming that most such would be at least survivable.

And any amount of modern gear can be recycled for parts (or even raw material) in that scenario. Plenty of metal that doesn't need much digging to get at, even if it's a bit harder to work...

I mean that 1600s-level technology should be possible to teach to people quickly enough that a sizable proportion of the survivors know something, if you have at least a regional-sized support base. Maybe even smaller.

This isn't a cold-start scenario. It's a brake-clamp scenario, which is very much different. All the parts are hot already and take a while to cool down.

The modern economy will pretty much die out, and fairly quickly too. That just can't be helped in such a scenario. It's another matter how long it'd take to get it back.

Actually, I just had a bit of formal training slightly related to this. A regional fire chief and a colonel in charge of a regional-level military formation (among the lecturers) did mention some aspects of the fallback plans.

There was also talk of the farmers who wanted to know why they couldn't get reserve buttignments to any kind of a military unit. "You are buttigned to run your farm, and these other farms too in case there's nobody else left there."

Mainly to placate the rioting crowds. "Too late and the less critical issues", someone said.

Also something that our Reds didn't do, but they may just have been too busy fighting the civil war and losing... or then they might not have done it anyway even if they won.

And Baltic states, which Stalin fixed. And us that he failed to fix.

But both of them had by that time departed from the original tenets.

That's only from the 30s on. Between 1918 and 1924, any number of Western powers tried to take a piece of Russia too. The British held Murmansk and ... well.

Well, not quite that, but it'd have been very different.

I know. They were a problem in more than one way here too - they kept trying to integrate us with Russia proper, and the Czar kept making excuses to keep his private Grand Duchy ...

Not the same people, but oddly similar policies.

That may be a distinct probability, but given how the Germans blundered in Russia, it's by no means given they'd gotten that far even so.

That was a given a while before Stalin had consolidated his power. Therefore there was a time window.

The Hanseatic League was mainly made to stop by force majeure. As far as their civilization goes, it didn't noticeably degrade but they lost their position of power.

I sort of figured.

Now, there is this "middle clbutt farmer" thing but that isn't terribly common worldwide. Even so, there may be a point with it. (And it's a political issue here anyway ... )

I can think of a couple that are even simpler than that but I do get your point.

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