another blast from the past

they were looking at doing things on a chip. I don't know if it is conflict or complement. Some of the people worked on Vamps and would like to do CMS but I don't think thier chips are that large (yet?). lovelove (who used to be at Cambridge) and yyyyyy (who was in Burlington). Burlington is still a strategic MVS shop with no VM. They may have to install at least one. Thier MVS is 9 meg (leaving 7 meg.), and they have a Fortran design program exceeding that size. VM-CMS could provide him 16 meg. less about 200k or so. zzzzzzz in defense of POK said they are seriously looking at segment protect in the hardware now. Several weeks ago a TSO product admin. called me about putting the scheduler into MVS. They appear to be running scared. It seems that they would like to avoid having salesman going into MVS accounts and admit that MVS isn't the answer to everything (and by implecation the IBM salesman was wrong) and now they will have to install VM for interactive computing. Also heard that POK Debt Management tried to brow beat DP marketing into giving equal billing to TSO (after the VM-CMS is the interactive way to go).

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Talked to both TSS and Amdahl people about UNIX. That may appear to be a more realistic threat to VM-CMS. It would appear that not only do most IBM'ers not know what is going on outside the company but a lot don't even know what is going on outside of thier own Lab.

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Something about two-pi. NCSS has 100 3200 machines out in the field and two-pi has another 130. They are all at different EC levels and nobody appears to have records of which ECs are on which machines.

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I'll be getting machine readible copy of the VMSHARE data base and hope to be putting it up on the HONE system, in addition to our machine. I would like to have a VMSHARE userid (something like TYMSHARE has) so that outside users can dial-up and look at the data base. Hears some PSR say that putting a problem onto VMSHARE usually takes a day or two for an answer instead of a month or better on RETAIN. I would eventually like to get some sort of restricted VNET dial-up to pick up incremental changes (currently plan on receiving monthly tapes).

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After the 4300 experience session, somebody from POK siad the user benchmarks probably drove the final nails into the 3031's coffin.

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Oh yes, I flew back to San Jose with two people from a TSO performance group. I'm afraid that I brutilized them. Thier parting shot was that CMS & TSO were in different divisions and that bot divisions have to spend money on interactive computing. POK has to continue to spend money on TSO since that is the only thing they have.

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misc. terms:

VAMPS ... a project that i worked on about the same time i was working on ecps, resource manager, etc. it was a 5-way SMP design with lots of stuff moved into microcde. misc. past postings mentioning vamps

MVS had (16mbyte) application space constraint (kernel and other system stuff occupying majority of every application address space) ... misc. recent postings

NCSS was the first spin-off of cp-67 and cambridge science center offering commercial time-sharing service

two-pi produced a entry-level 360 clone that NCSS marketed under their own logo.

vmshare is computer conferencing provided by tymshare starting in the mid-70s for discussing vm

hone is the internal online interactive system providing world-wide support to sales, marketing and field people. in the late 70s all the US hone datacenters were consolidated in cal. there were clones of the system at numerous places around the world.

there were several benchmarking activity comparing 4341 and 3031 (as well as clusters of 4341 and 3033). misc. past 4341-3031

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