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Oh, this is precious...

First, you call me "touchie feelie"...when this fails to "silence the unorthodoxy", the next thing you try is to "invoke Godwin" and then, apparently, I'm a "Nazi"...

A "touchie feelie" Nazi...and you find this to be no kind of oxymoron?

But, well done...you are following the established patterns of defensive:

1. Humilate and ridicule; buttert that I'm "touchie feelie", "wishy washy", "liberal elitist", "tree hugger" or other can't-take-this-person-seriously designation...

2. Call them "Nazi"; Imply "disguised evil agenda"...actually, this is normally "last resort" on the standard "defences"...you appear to have become "desparate" rather too quickly here...

Other methods of defence include:

3. Cast aspertions on mental fitness; Suggest "insanity"...as you can't listen to a "mad person", yes, lest risk going mad yourself?

4. Attribute "whore"-like characteristics; "Ah, you would say that because such-and-such says it and we all know you're just trying to curry favour with him"...

5. Plain old "you are an idiot"; Pretty self-explanatory...I am an idiot...so I've got it wrong...as pure and simple as that...

6. Bait-and-calm; Make wild buttertion or insult that's bound to get me "pbuttionate" in defence (such as "you Nazi!") then when I am "heated" in response, the response is very calm and collected..."why, look at you! You're clearly emotional and irrationale!"...

7. Popularity defence; "Safety in numbers"...gather a "posse" and then each refers to the other as "character witness"...

Orwell remarked that the attempts to silence are surprisingly effective...not on one who is more aware of every "trick" in the "playbook"...

The buttertion of "Nazi" is actually absurd...this cross-posted group has no awareness of my previous postings but my originating newgroup does...knowing full well that I am among the LEAST applicable persons to which this "Nazi" taunt could apply...

Also, you speak of "implicit insult"...to say something but not explicitly write it in words, so that if challenged, there is no actual specific text to provide as evidence...in this case, you skirt around saying "Nazi" but, yes, never actually state that exact word outright...you use the very "evil" you say is so wrong as you accuse me...

I agree that, unfortunately, the evil of fascism, racial hatred and such were not eradicated with the end of WWII...

This, though, seems to have no bearing on me, my intentions or what I wrote, as this "Nazi" charge is completely false...

May I ask for you to directly cite or provide evidence of the supposed "Nazi-ness" that you refer to?

As you must understand, anyone can generate a "vicious rumour" with no grounds in reality whatsoever...hence, our system of justice is based upon EVIDENCE being presented...that the burden of proof rests with the prosecution...and that the accused is given "fair trial" on that charge, not "convicted" on unsubstantiated "rumours"...

Where did I state this?

Unless you mean that in stating that everyone has the fundamental right to "freedom of speech" (as Consbreastutionally guaranteed in the Bill of Rights for Americans) that this implicitly means that neo-Nazis may also give their vile "point of view"?

Yes, "freedom of speech" does implicitly include that same right to those who we would not wish to hear...

But, implicitly and factually, a neo-Nazi's opinion is wrong...this can be easily demonstrated so by right-minded individuals in response...if they use this "freedom of speech" to make their case, then each individual point can be knocked down and SHOWN to be illogical, nonsensical and prejudiced...

Censorship breeds ignorance...ignorance is where the neo-Nazi disease spreads...the disillusioned youth is "censored"...while the neo-Nazi speaks without care for "censorship"...the youth is impressed, the youth is "tempted" towards the person they view as "telling it like it is"...a vile perversion which is PROMPTED by censorship and silence...

EDUCATION is the root solution...VOICING the evil and the history of that evil teaches the wrongness of it...

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." Socrates

"Yea, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of rest, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff comfort me" Psalm 23:4

What need for what "instant gratification"?

You are repeatedly making reference to things that, quite frankly, baffle me...

Please stop dancing around and evading...making "rumours" here and butterting "gossip" there...

One suspects it may be delibrate...but when your "accusations" against me are vague and apparently irrelevent, there is no way that I'm able to meet that which I'm accused of...

I need to know that by which I am charged specifically, in order to mount a defence against your "prosecution"...

Evidence, rather than strange "rumours" of "evil agenda" would be helpful...thank you...

You're now not even really answering the post anymore...this was a continutation of the previous sentence, just to note YOUR position in the previous posting...

Again, the relevency or irrelevency of this remark can't be commented on, as I frankly have not the slightest clue what all your "rumours" are specifically attempting to refer to...

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Again, what "instant gratification" are you talking about?

In other posts, I've repeatedly took issue against Empire, Roman included...and against any substance to any "might is right" philosophy...and against "instant gratification"...against mindless "compebreastion"...against racial hatred...against most of the "evils" you seem to be referring to (or, at least, as far as one can gather, as your vagueness makes you fully unclear and comes across as "rumour mongering")...

On any other day, it would be me relating this story...

I have no "method of arguing"...I respond to that which is before me, pure and simple...

Now your "rumours" appear to suggest support of "wife beating"...again, based on what is not stated...

I see your "method of defence", though...call someone a "wife beater", "neo-Nazi" or "child abuser"...some similar shocking taboo that arouses pbuttions against that person...plant the rumour and walk away...allowing others to "do the dirty work" for you...

Now, that is an incredibly "evil" methodology: Invent a "rumour" that someone you don't like is a "child abuser" or similar...wait for the "vigilantes" to harbutt, violently attack or even liquidate that person, while you sit watching it all happily from a "safe distance"...

Right, I see...

There is no actual evidence of any "evil" or "wrong-doing" or anything whatsoever...this lack of direct evidence is simply "proof" that the "evil" is well-hidden and disguised rather than that there is, in fact, no "evil" present...

So, by the same rationale, Oprah Winfre appears not to be a member of the KKK...the fact that we see no evidence of this, simply means she is "hiding her membership" well, so that we cannot see it...it is not, as one might logically expect, an indication of her having no actual membership of the KKK at all...no, the lack of evidence of this, simply means she's "fiendishly clever" in disguising it...the unlikelihood of a black woman being a member of the KKK isn't a demonstration that this couldn't really actually be the case...no, this unlikelihood simply means she is all the more "evil" for her KKK membership...

Hence, the fact that no such reference can be seen anywhere in my post, is just because I'm so "fiendishly evil" that I'm able to plant "subliminal messages of pure evil" into people's minds, without leaving a single conscious or visible trace of this whatsoever...

How terribly "convenient"...this allows you to make any random and arbitrary claim you like...but it cannot be disproved in any way because the more one shows there is no evidence or motivation, the more "fiendishly evil" it makes the "evil plot" against everyone...

Yes, the very fact that your claim is without evidence and unfounded is, you buttert, the very proof that it is true...

You don't happen to be a friend of Donald Rumsfeld, by any chance?

This is a variation of "control by fear"...create an imaginary "threat"...if anyone challenges the non-existence of that "threat", then the lack of evidence is simply "proof" of just how "fiendishly evil" the disguise is...why, you could be "infected with evil" and not even know it! It could penetrate "subconsciously" and "subliminally"...

Best you not even read Beth's post, then...wouldn't want to be "infected with evil" by merely glancing at the words...

No, I'll give it to you...this is a new "tactic" on me..."control by paranoia"...very fiendish means of "silencing" someone, indeed...I'll add it to the list...

Let's cut to the chase...if you have a concrete case, then present it explicitly...if not, this is "rumour mongering", which is merely one of the many ways to attempt to silence discredit those who you do not wish to be heard, as it breaks the "orthodoxy" you adhere to...in my case, my "sin" was to suggest that your "orthodoxy" - actually, any "orthodoxy" - is not actually "sacrosanct" and CAN be challenged...

Indeed, MUST and SHOULD be challenged:

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" "Who watches the watchmen?"

Beth :)

P.S. Yes, my ASCII picture was, in fact, a devious "subliminal message" of "inherent evil"...by which I plan "evil world domination" from my "evil" underground concrete "bunker of evil"...what on Earth my motivation exactly is for all of this "evil" is exactly - quite "conveniently" - exceeds the imaginations of mortal men (that means YOU! ;)...which is handy for "proving" I'm "evil", as you require no actual EVIDENCE to demonstrate this...it is so "evil" that it defies being shown as such...it is so "evil" that it leaves no evidence or trace whatsoever...it is so "evil", it doesn't even exist!!! Wow, that's just how "evil" the "evil plan" truly is!