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Oh? So, a crime is not a crime, as long as there's some worse crime being enacted somewhere else?

Hence, as multiple people are being liquidateed in Iraq, then because that is a "worse crime" than merely liquidateing just one person...then I am permitted to liquidate you with complete impunity?

The police come to arrest me, I just say: "Hey, have you seen the news lately? Far worse crimes are happening in other parts of the world!"...the police officers look at each other, agree that this is quite true...and just walk away and leave...because, so you say, a crime is not a crime, if there's something "much worse" going on "in other parts of the world"...

Is that how this rationale works?

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NoDot Seeing as you bring it up, though, remember the episode "Absolute Power"? Shifu - who contains all the genetic knowledge of the enemy deep in his mind...

Yes, that reason is that the more honest members of government BADGERED and HARbuttED them repeatedly, until the Bush administration - which had no intention whatsoever of including a "sunset provision" originally - finally gave in and added the "renewal clause"...

By who's definition?

What consbreastutes this as a "war" specifically?

When Timothy McVeigh attacked that building in Oklahoma - a person action - then why was this not considered "an act of war" too?

Why wasn't "the planting of an abstract noun" - sorry, I mean, "the war on terrorism" - insbreastuted at that time?

foreign chocolate-coloured moor?

Is that the rationale that explains this double standard and hypocrisy?

"All attempts to destroy democracy by terrorism WILL fail. It MUST be business as usual." buttbuttination attempt that blew up the Brighton hotel in which her and her cabinet were staying at for a party conference; Killing one minister, permanently disabling the wife of another...so, no, she was NOT talking "theory" or in "hypothetical" terms)

As the Iron Lady says, all attempts to destroy democracy by terrorism WILL fail...and it MUST be "business as usual" because if we are terrorised, then the persons win...if we alter our laws, then the persons win...if we hand over our Liberties in fear, then the persons win...

Stated American policy on terrorism is "NEVER give the persons what they want"...in the case of the Bush adminstration, this policy is being violated...the person - as the name denotes - wish to terrorise, to instill fear, to force a CHANGE in behaviour, in principle, in our system that they could NOT EVER - NEVER - achieve by any other means...

This is why persons employ guerilla tactics: They know - we know, everyone knows - that in one-on-one direct military confrontation, they would surely LOSE...they do not - a handful of religious fundamentalists - stand a single iota of a chance at success by ordinary military means...

Hence, they attempt to instill FEAR in their enemies...to TERRORISE them...to make us CHANGE OURSELVES...

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snip snip What is striking with the movie, and even more with the music, business(es) is that they are dragged kicking and screaming into the future, and new business models more or less have...

That, in our fear, we abandon those foundational principles upon which our "civilisation" is based...such as the rule of law...such as Civil Liberties...such as democracy falling to more dictatorial actions under a "state of emergency"...

There is NO WAY WHATSOEVER that they could achieve these aims by conventional military means...so they adopt guerilla tactics instead...delibrately attacking civilians, to drag every American into THEIR "war"...to strike without warning, so that America lives every second of every day with an undercurrent of fear...

They could NEVER achieve these aims by direct conventional military attack...they could NEVER win THEIR "war" in any way whatsoever...

UNLESS WE LET THEM WIN...

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rpl "Heroes" Great...just great...I delibrately avoided saying absolutely NOTHING about what happens in "Heroes" (though I was tempted to comment about how...

When, in fear, we abandon all that makes America American: When, in fear, we abandon "the rule of law", the backbone which holds up a free society...when, in fear, we hand fascist, dictatorial powers to politicians, that erodes the democratic heart of the nation...when, in fear, we give up essential Liberties - Civil Liberties, the Bill of Rights - to gain a false illusion of temporary security...

When, in fear, we stop living our lives...when, in fear, we surrender our Liberty...when, in fear, we cease to pursue our happiness...

When we allow ourselves to be terrorised in this way, we EXACTLY give the persons what they want: By no other means could their objective - the destruction of America, her ways, her principles and her heart - ever be achieved...

In his "Christmas message", Bin Laden celebrated Bush's reaction...this little man - coward in the cave - with a handful of religious zealots could NOT have achieved anything of the significance they have in altering America - liquidateing the old America; "Bye-bye, miss American Pie" - and destroying her very foundational principle of Liberty so utterly...without the COMPLICIT HELP of Bush and his policies...

ãThe real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these.ä Lord Hoffman, in the Law Lords' ruling AGAINST the granting of the power of "indefinite detention without trial"

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. And how do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." Julius Caesar

"All attempts to destroy democracy by terrorism WILL fail. It MUST be business as usual." Margaret Thatcher

And the response is to DE-EVOLVE our modern democracies?

To REGRESS our laws by centuries?

To SURRENDER our Liberties to autocrats and aristocrats?

To RETURN to serfdom and slavery?

To ABANDON our Lives, Liberties and that pursuit of Happiness at the whim of a hat?

I thought American policy to terrorism was NOT to give persons what they want...BUT, on the contrary, there is no means - not a single chance - that they could "overwhelm" our nations militarily...so, they choose to FRIGHTEN us, TERRORISE us, into willingly abandoning all that makes us "civilised" and free nations...

As you say, one of their objectives is to see our democratic nations fall...our principles and lives REGRESS back towards, as you put it, "the 8th century"...

And, thus far, the reaction of America and Britain has been to GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT...

As tragic and vile as 9-11 was, no amount of person attacks would have, in and of themselves, destroyed the nation...in numerical terms, it would require over 100,000 9-11 attacks to kill every American...20,000 to kill every British citizen...

In pure statistical terms, you have more to fear from a McDonald's "Happy meal" (in terms of having a heart attack)...in pure statistical terms, you have more to fear from a Pink Cadillac (in terms of road traffic accidents)...

Not even one 9-11 should ever have happened (but, then, the President did choose not to bother to read a report enbreastled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside America"...and put off having a single meeting on the subject of terrorism in his first term until that fateful day...also, Bill Clinton was given an opportunity or two that he ignored and pbutted up)...

But, put in perspective, the notion that these persons could ever have succeeded in achieving any of their aims by themselves is, well, utterly laughable...

America's defence budget is bigger than the next ten countries' largest defence budgets COMBINED...the world's largest employer is the Department of Defense...America is in possession of TENS OF THOUSANDS of the most advanced nuclear WMD on the planet...no-one comes anywhere close to America's combat aircraft (you invented planes and have never lost the "lead" in that department)...

If the persons stood out in the open for "conventional" warfare man-on-man, the rest of their lives would be measured in milliseconds...

They know this...we know this...everyone knows this...they adopt underhand guerilla tactics and cowardly person attacks because, in their DESPARATION, this is the GREATEST extent of what they could ever achieve...and, even then, as the 9-11 commission reported, it also required America's complacency in ignoring intelligence...

But this is NOT conventional warfare...they were not attempting to "conquer" America by "invasion"...their purpose was to - as their name entirely denotes - TERRORISE Americans...to send Americans into panic and fear...that, as has happened, America would start surrendering her Liberty left, right and centre in a rushed panic...that it would suspend, disrupt and put a stop to "business as usual"...that Americans would, indeed, increasingly KEEP OUT out of certain countries, fearing for their lives...that, in panic, leaders would start banging the drums of war...the citizenry would surrender their Liberty and democracy - their "civilisation", REGRESSING back towards "8th century" law and political rule - in fear for their lives...

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CBFalconer ... snip ... This is an excerpt from p106 of: and I think it describes the present regime fairly well...

Thus far, America has, unfortunately, reacted in exactly the fashion the persons were trying to PROVOKE America into reacting...they didn't sit around thinking: "well, we'll just destroy these buildings and kill 3,000 people...but America won't, you know, do anything in retaliation"...on the contrary, they WANTED that "retaliation"...they WANTED "war"...

They WANTED to divide America (and, in the 2004 election, America was never more polarised in history...except for, obviously, the "Civil War")...

They WANTED Bush to "overreact" (and, in setting up the Guantanamo concentration camp - with stories (it doesn't particularly matter if they are true or not: If Muslims believe they are true, then they will react accordingly regardless) of "tortures" that not only humilate the prisoners but humilate ISLAM, humilate ALLAH Himself...stories that, after Abu Grahib, no-one will believe any "denials" from America about, as, there, this was SEEN to be the case categorically - Bush has created an "injustice" for all the world to see...and the Islamic world sees it humilate ISLAM, humilate their BELIEFS, humilate ALLAH HIMSELF, humilate the KORAN (which is the direct Word of Allah; So, peeing on it is interpreted as peeing on all of Islam, peeing on God Himself, in Islamic eyes)...

Which has EMPOWERED these persons more than they could possibly imagine...there were not particularly many of these religious fantatical Islamic fundamentalists...indeed, they had tried to incite "revolution" in the buttbuttination of Egyptian President Sadat...they thought that their Muslim brothers would take to the streets to reclaim Egypt to Fundamentalist Islam (Sadat had an "open door" policy to the West)...they were wrong...their opinion was NOT the majority opinion of Muslims at all...

On the contrary, when they could not incite their fellow Muslims to "revolution" to take back their countries to fundamentalist Islamic rule...well, this is when they "change tactic"...

They could not stop the spread of "Jahelia" (this is the word they use to denote what is considered the "disease" of Western values that they believe was "infecting" their Islamic homelands and "corrupting" it from "True Islam" to, you know, Hollywood movies, democracies, Coca-cola, jeans and cheeseburgers...why these fundamentalists consider these things "anti-Islamic" is a complete mystery, though, as the Koran promotes education, science, technology and the like...check out the "Multimedia Supercorridor" or "Cyberjaya" (literally "Cyber City") and their policies of eliminating tax on "technology companies", that the Malaysian government is whole-heartedly committing the country to, in order to promote their country as the Asain centre of modern technology...an Asian "Sillicon Valley", if you like...Malaysia is an Islamic country and it finds NO CONFLICT - as there is NONE - between Islam and the modern world...indeed, in times past, it was the Muslims who lead the world in science and technology...gunpowder, superior metal working to bring legend to their "indestructable" curved scimitar blades, etc....the Koran actively promotes education and knowledge very whole-heartedly...ONLY these few "fundamentalists" - and as with all fundamentalists, they have very weird and unconventional "viewpoints" - seem to be able to divine anything else from Allah's Word)...

Anyway, they could not stop the spread of "Jahelia" entering from the West into their Islamic homelands...an attempt to incite "revolution" against those leaders (like Sadat, who was buttbuttinated for this reason) who had allowed the West and "Jahelia" to "infect" their countries FAILED...miserably...they envisaged the streets full of their Muslim brothers, who would reclaim their homeland back to this fundamentalist vision of "true Islam"...the streets were silent...no-one shared their "vision"...they did NOT represent the majority of Islamic opinon (which IS fundamentally a "religion of peace" at its heart...note that though they do not accept Jesus as the Son of God, He IS accepted as a "prophet" in Islam...yes, you can "selectively" pull out some lines from the Koran that seem "violent"...but, come on, like you can't also do that with the Old Testament too)...

Hence, the "change of tactic" was rather simple: If they could not stop it spreading into their country, then they would attack the problem at its "root"...they declared war on America herself...and, with 9-11, they finally succeeded (an earlier attempt in 1992 on the WTC had failed) in a successful "strike"...due in part, it must be stressed, to complacency on the part of the American adminstration, as they did officially announce their intention to attack America quite publicly...and the intelligence on this was placed into a report: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside America"...which Bush never actually read...

Of course, hindsight is always 20-20 vision...it's easy to criticise, knowing the information was basically there - if someone had just taken it seriously enough to properly "join the dots" - but that complacency had made it be ignored...BUT, considering this information related to persons who had made strikes (U.S.S. Cole, American embbutties in Africa, previous attempt on WTC, etc.), I do feel there is some legitimacy in criticism of the level of complacency shown...Bush repeatedly put off meetings on the issue, to go to "fund raisers" and play golf...there's complacency...and there's major incompetency and willfull neglect...

I sat transfixed on the pictures in the news on September the 11th, 2001...it was half a world away but my body shivered - as if I was in the middle of some Siberian Winter in a bikini - uncontrollably...I was sick to the stomach...head spinning...I jumped out of my skin whenever the reporters or anything even suggested more was to come (there were some fleeting reports - in all the panic - of things like vans being parked next to buildings...turned out to be nothing, in the end...but, in all the panic, no-one knew what was really going on)...I saw one tower billowing with smoke...no-one was sure if it might have been a tragic accident...the reporter babbeling, presuming such, as no-one could believe, at that point, this could have been delibrate...but there was a terrible, terrible feeling in considering that it very well may have been...and then a blur darted into shot and smashed into the second tower...I don't know why but it's that bright orange colour in the centre of the explosion...that bright orange colour just completely dominated what I saw...bright orange surrounded by grey...I let out an odd noise, without thought, as if I didn't know whether to scream, cry, shout "f***" or whatever...some confusion of all those possibilities happened instead...I did not leave that television set...could not...later, in that period of eternity where no-one knew if it had only just started or ended or if there was more coming or whatever, is the only time I changed channel...to find an American channel (CNN; It's the only American news channel I have)...this may seem odd but it was as if I wanted to be with you, if that makes any sense...but, half a world away, this was as close as I could get to that...futile...helpless...pathetic...there was no life that day...I recognised that silence, that emptiness...the exact same feeling as when a family member died...there is no "you" that day...trying to recall, it's as if all your memories are viewed through a magnifying glbutt...I remember, oddly, staring at the wall behind the TV...that bright orange image is all there is, the rest of the picture isn't there...as if "zoomed in"...looking through that magnifying glbutt...

It was a horrible day...it coincided with a change in my own life...and it was as if one life had ended that day and another one had begun...the phrase "post-9-11 world" - though continually abused everywhere, even to sell carpets or shampoo (i.e. "in this post 9-11 world, hair care products take on more significance...buy our magic shampoo!"...vile, commercial "anyone's whore" crap) - actually rings true, in a way...

"Sympathetic"? DON'T YOU f***ING DARE!

Don't you turn this into some "poster" for point scoring or political ideology...don't even think of going there...some "anyone's whore" commercial to the highest bidder, who gives you a "tax break" or two...

There is no "sympathy" for liquidateers...theirs...or yours...

But America - the West - is under attack from MULTIPLE sources...and we cannot ask persons to "wait" before attacking, while we deal with the "enemy within"...as we cannot ask the "robber baron" exploitees, who profit by the rest, to "wait" either...

Liberty is under seige from more than one direction...for Her to survive, ALL these attacks - all sources - must be equally and simultaneously fought...if even one - any of them - penetrates the defenses then all is lost...the fort must defend all sides...we cannot expect the enemy to happily line up at the front door only...

Sensing weakness, every enemy of Liberty lays seige at the gate...the politicians sense a weakness in the people...they sense an opportunity to gain "power" that would never stand under anything but a "state of emergency"...so, the politicians do not calm the anxiety...they do not stand strong, as the Iron Lady did, and command that everything MUST return to "business as usual"...they do not put it in perspective...no, they stoke the fires...they extend and prolong the fear...they milk this "opportunity" for all it is worth...

But the smell of the dead does not only bring the vultures...the fascists seize their chance too...Le Penn almost wins in France...the BNP's share of the vote rises...an Austrian neo-Nazi actually wins his election...the papers stoke the fires: "immigration", they chant...fascists create a climate where they can openly "sell their wares", where it would have been run out of town previously...

The wolves - like dogs - can smell the fear in the air itself...and they hunt Liberty down...

Our enemies will not "conveniently" all line up and then just wait - like sitting ducks - for us to be "ready", to tackle them one-by-one...they sense weakness...they smell fear...every chickenroach and their "agenda" creeps out of the woodwork to exploit this "moment of weakness"...politicians delibrately pour salt into the wound to keep it open - prolong the weakness - long enough to secure all that "power" they've craved but could not obtain otherwise...the "watchmen" see that they are not being watched by the people and start stealing from the stockpiles, to prop up their personal wealth and gain...thieves smell weakness too...that exact fleeting moment when no-one is looking and that quick "slight of hand" clutches their ill-gotten goods under their clothes...then they proceed, as if nothing has happened...

The world isn't black and white...the "good guys" don't all wear white hats, the "bad guys" black...every one of us, at some point, plays the role of "bad guy"...miserable sinners, as we are...waits for a "crack in the armour" of the other's argument, then bashes mercilessly at that "Achilles' Heel" until the crack becomes a hole...

From art critics and shampoo adverts abusing the phrase "in this post 9-11 world"...to politicians removing those Civil Liberties that gets in the way of their "power" and "personal gain"...to the media running continuous 24 hour rolling "war coverage", to just lap up those "ratings"...to Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld getting their political attack on Iraq that they long planned (on record: Study the archives of the "Project for the New American Century" (PNAC), where their intention - even military budget figures they exactly got - to wage war on Iraq existed BEFORE 9-11), with this as an "excuse"...to Haliburton embezzling tax dollars the legal way (let Bush bash it down, then taxpayers feed Haliburton to build it all right back up)...to fascists and neo-Nazis pushing the blame onto "Islam as a whole" then onto "all filthy foreigners of any persuasion" then using it as excuse for their agenda to claim "it's not racist to talk about immigration and to keep the african americans out of our white homeland"...to Micheal Moore sneaking in a "leftist" agenda in the cracks between the odd legitimate criticism of the chickenroaches...

Every "agenda"...every parasite...every vulture...every chickenroach...they all smell the rotting corpse and come to feed...every single one...they all need to eat and scavenging the meat off the bones of someone else's "kill" is the easiest way to feed safely and effortlessly...prolonging the sense of confusion - the loss of basic "idenbreasty" we were once so sure of - for as long as possible, to get a chance to feed on every last bit of meat on the bone...

NONE are blameless...throw a rock in the air, you'll hit someone guilty...be honest with yourself, when did YOU break the taboo and exploit the situation? The world isn't black-and-white, "good vs. evil" at all...many "causes" can gang up to produce one "effect"...one "cause" can split off into many "effects"...agendas run together and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" reigns in uneasy alliances...

9-11 blew the lid off the pressure cooker...but it was all there before, boiling away...

No, the people who are going to kill you are not American citizens...the Consbreastution's Bill of Rights ONLY has applicability on American citizens...

This, by the way, was the "loophole" by which Guantanamo dodged going before a court of law for so long...as well as the obvious tactic of placing it in Cuba...

Hint: What STATE does the military base at Cuba come under? No state? It's a "territory", not state-owned? Why, how "convenient": NO STATE LAW TO WORRY ABOUT...

So, only the Consbreastution has any jurisdiction...but, wait, the American Consbreastution only has jurisdiction over AMERICANS...and all those in the camp are foreign citizens...

Yeah, it's so "legitimate" that they used exploited every single "loophole" in the law they could find...

But they screwed up...one of the "inmates" looked kind of "foreign" and his name was "foreign sounding"...but, oh dear, they didn't check closely enough: American-born...THAT was exactly the "screw up" they finally made - their prejudice got the better of them (seems that if you've seen one "african american" then you AIN'T seen them all, contrary to their mindset) - which allowed the US Supreme Court to rule on it...and that ruling was that it is clearly "unconsbreastutional" (same judges that made Bush President, so if they could have swung it then they surely would have...but, simply, it is clearly a violation and breach of so many fundamental principles and laws of America, there was no possible way to be so "corrupt" without being discovered...they had no choice but to rule that way: Because it was the TRUTH)...

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Beth ... snip ... ... snip ... ... snip ... ... snip ... I have attempted to condense this, preserving the good points, and remove the belaboring. A very useful post, and it may open some eyes. However, too long is too...

You're clearly an easily manipulated idiot...so let me spell it out for you: If these "fundamental rights" are violated without check or balance...then it will be YOUR "fundamental rights" that disappear next...

An instance of this has already happened in the UK: The British government was indefinitely detaining, without trial, "person suspects" at a camp in Belmarsh...when their "anti-terrorism act" was challenged, it was deemed "racist" because the new law only applied to foreigners...hence, to "rectify" this, the law was revised: It was expanded so that British citizens could also be "detained without trial" in cases of "suspected terrorism"...this charge is decided by a POLITICIAN, not an independent law court...it requires no form of "evidence" at all...the politicians are accountable to no-one...

If they call you a "suspected person" (which they do not have to prove to anyone in any way, so it could simply be nothing more than a politically-motivated LIE...and, as we know from that three-letter word "WMD", they are not "squeaky clean" to be adverse to a politically expedient lie or two, when it suits them)...then all your consbreastutional rights are suspended...you become a non-person...

And they revised the law to specifically TARGET THEIR OWN CITIZENS...the government shows its hand and ATTACKS its own people...the Orwellian nightmare is not "possible", it's already happening (no more "right to silence", no more "right to jury trial", no more "right to know what you are charged with", no more "right not to be tried for the same crime twice" (double-jepordy; So, the government just keeps on trying you over and over - no limits - until, finally, they get a "guilty" verdict, irrespective of whether you've been found "not guilty" over a hundred times before...if you keep going, then, one day, you'll get a judge and jury who comes to the WRONG verdict...justice isn't always perfect, as we know, after all), no more "right to a defence", no more "a lawyer shall be appointed for you"...indeed, soon, the police's standard arrest speech will simply be reduced to: "we own you, slave!"...we're not talking "possibility" but, increasingly, actuality as many of these things are already in place...then there's "biometric ID cards", followed by "satellite tracking of ALL vehicles" (supposedly for "fairer road tax" purposes but the fact it coincidentally can also be used to monitor where everyone is at all times is, we're to believe, a "coincidence"...oh, also, drivers, note: They would have records of where you are at specific times...it's a simple piece of mathematics - easy for a computer system - to determine your "average speed"...the roads you used are also fully known...there is enough information there for a machine to automatically and faultlessly catch EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of "speeding"...sounding fascist enough for you yet? You cannot, even for a split second, avoid being caught in ANY instance - however small, however slight - of "speeding" in your motor vehicle...and it is a criminal action, after all, so it would be remiss of a government - having such information at their disposal - not to use the information in this way...especially because all those "speeding fines" puts yet more money into the "pot")...

"The future teaches you to be alone The present to be afraid and cold So 'if I can shoot rabbits Then I can shoot fascists'

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rpl I did place an "apologies to everyone else" in the "postscript"...I realise not everyone watches the show but NoDot does and...

Bullets for your brain today But we'll forget it all again Monuments put from pen to paper Turns me into a gutless wonder

And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next Will be next Will be next Will be next

Gravity keeps my head down Or is it maybe shame?

At being so young and being so vain...

Holes in your head today But I'm a pacifist I've walked La Ramblas But not with real intent

And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next Will be next Will be next Will be next Will be next

And on the street tonight an old man plays With newspaper cuttings of his 'glory days'

And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next And if you tolerate this Then your children WILL be next Will be next Will be next Will be next"

"If You Tolerate This, Your Children Will Be Next", the Manic Street Preachers

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