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alt.folklore.computers Plus the time it's Xoff-ed, at 9600 the VT100 needs flow control. Max data rate without flow control in glbutt tty mode is 4800. Fancy stuff, eg erase...
Interesting. Okay. It seems to me that with a screen-oriented editor you could still be sort of paging through the file, and the number of keystrokes to find the next occurrence of some sufficiently-unique-to-find-the-right-spot string would be less. But it would be silly to argue with someone who's actually used both tools, when I haven't ....
The "only one page of text at a time editable" mode, though, is an interesting reminder that there was a time when "just load the whole thing into memory" wasn't really an option.
You haven't convinced me yet that TECO would make it easier (fewer keystrokes) to find a particular bit of text in a long file than a screen editor would. And if what you're doing is working through the long file a "page" at a time, hm, seems like the number of keystrokes to position would be about the same .... Anyway I think we probably shouldn't argue about it any more, since the odds of my having time to play with the tools you're talking about any time soon seem small.
As for "what editing is" -- oh well, most of my experience with editing biggish text files involves stuff I wrote myself, and maybe there are fundamental differences between that and working on files originally-mostly written by someone else. It sounds like you have
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Sure. When I mentioned replacing a whole line, I wasn't really meaning to suggest that this would be a good approach when you only want to change a few characters.
Actually this might be something where TECO (as I'm understanding it from this thread) has an advantage over a line editor. I don't think the latter are very good at letting you position a cursor within a line and make changes. I'm glad most of us now work on hardware that has enough resources to make screen editors feasible; the ones I'm most familiar with *do* have this kind of capability (and no, rodents and arrow keys are not required).
Finally they adopted a carrot to go with the stick, and gave me an 11-73 to edit and buttemble on. All to myself. I'll agree with most of that. VTEDIT was ok under RSTS, but...
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Probably with good reason. :-) Once you get used to a powerful editor, the primitive capabilities provided by a lot of tools these days just seem .... primitive.
If you ever do have occasion to edit text in a big way again, it's probably worthwhile to investigate one of the Unixworld editors (vi or one of its successors, or emacs). You might like them. Or, of course, find a port of TECO ....
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