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Steve Richfie1d I'm told it's been done - specifically, as I understand it, the AS-400 got it right. The key is to not store-distribute software as machine code...
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snip Perhaps. I am not familiar with the details of the Burroughs implementation. If one had say a three dimensional array of 100 X 100 X 100 elements, how many words of memory are needed...
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Since the postulated array occupies a contiguous region of memory, why would the descriptor need anything more than a base and a...
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And FWIW the original Tandem (later Compaq and HP) NonStop CPU, actually built (in mildly modified form) until...
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snip I don't understand that sentence. Remember, we are talking stack oriented architecture here, not PDP-10. Think of the HP calculators...
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one. I'm now dropping it down to 98% after reading your explanation. :-)) Although the PDP-10 had registers, the PUSHing and POPing instructions dealt with stacks. It is how we...
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snip But a true stack machine doesn't have registers (as Peter points out - at least from a programmer's point of view) at all and uses the stack...
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Herein lies a big gap of something missing. The something missing is my lack of knowledge about how wires are wired. This multiply is an abstract to me because no print pops into...
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:52:32 GMT, "Stephen Fuld" Nit. That will work on an HP-48...
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Nick Maclaren Yes. Some (one and a half). Certainly nowhere near all. What have I done to...
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Trevor L. Jackson, III deletes that reliance If every file requires at least one datum block, there is an upper bound on the size of the directory...
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don't count. Traditional mainframe systems (and VMS) do, in native mode (i.e. not in their POSIX environment, if any). Don't be silly. In MVS, VMS etc., the maximum length of a line is a...
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Nick Maclaren OK, under the clarified question the answer is yes, including unit record file...
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And it's nonsense. The point is that you need to put the indirection into (and I do mean into) every system utility, into every OTHER...
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Nick Maclaren *THAT* is nonsense. Why do you think the C RTL requirements need to be imposed upon...
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It wasn't that simple. The problem was that the status quo was badly places. In particular, many of the "PC...
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on changing the operator precedence in C The more cautious approach would be to first deprecate the...
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Herman, YES, they are right in the spec, along with the different operators to be used on them. && is fundamentally different than &. I am just proposing...
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:53:54 -0700, Steve Well, yes, they are different, and do different things. The...
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Until a critical number of people get the gear and are allowed to play with it to see what kinds...
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On Thu, 07 Apr 05 11:54:40 GMT Heisenberg rules :) But seriously - it's a given that more uses get found for computers than anyone would ever dream of while designing...
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Brian Inglis interconvert some of this may be my fault. three people came out from CSC the last week of january, 1968 to install cp67 at the university. at that...
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Stephen, et al, I may have misled people a bit when I pointed out that the precedence tables in C were wrong (which they are...
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:03:27 -0700 in alt.folklore.computers, Steve Precedence tables are merely a summary of the grammatical rules which specify the...
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This is a feature with C, not a bug. In C, just as with many buttemblers, and, or, xor and not are used...
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Morten, et al, There seems to be a break in communication here, and I am not sure where it is. I am NOT proposing eliminating any operators from C...
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:39 -0700, Steve What do you mean by "seemingly senseless"? Right-shifting a signed value is...
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:29:24 -0800, Michel Hack Yeah. He was right, and indeed most (good) buttemblers have similar boolean types. I misspoke. I meant to refer to the...
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Andrew Reilly code others). The 2-bit combinations encode the usual meanings for arithmetic instructions: 0 = Zero, 1...
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No, it isn't - it is a huge language, as may be seen by comparing the size of Fortran 77, Fortran...
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Unlike LALR parsing, operator precedence parsing can be implemented by hand, and is more efficient...
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Now, you are thinking in terms of implementation rather than function! No, I am being FAR more radical than that. Let me give you the WHY, and examples. I first thought...
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John, An even cleaner solution would be to simply declare the syntaxes that are now guaranteed to make C compilers produce garbage code to at least produce a...
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Considering that PL-I was designed by a committee with a short time limit 40 years ago, they did a remarkably good job. Part...
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John R. Levine What flow of control do you want? besides IF, CALL and ON-SIGNAL, you have SELECT (like C's 'switch' without the 'break...
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You do? It's not in my ANSI PL-I standard. If we get to add vendor...
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John R. Levine Locate mode I-O, where operations are directly out of the I-O buffer instead of copying to-from user...
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True enough, John, but it isn't as if you are warned that you may not know what you are...
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Couldn't have influence if the first exposure was 1978. I don't remember it ever shipping. PL-I never got into the software notebooks so I doubt it did. A non-paper manual is useless...
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Brian Inglis PC-DOS and all of its derivatives, which includes Windoze. Early on Microsoft(R) evaluated the...
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says... DMA was used because it was "fast enough". Windows didn't support multi-tasking so the processor couldn't do anything during I-O anyway. Since OS-2 could walk and chew...
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:48:19 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, "Stephen IIRC 3380 and 3390 had sector cells related to RPS which made space calculations bumpy (?14 byte cells + fixed overhead...
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snip Yes, VSE supported 3370. I don't know about 3310. Yes, I know. The comment above was, as stated, about how non-IBM compatible mainframes, with fixed length disk blocks handled record oriented I-O...
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Stephen Fuld PL-1 on VAX-VMS was a very fine compiler; I was surprised at how well it worked for systems programming. I was involved with a project to support a Xerox 9700 laserprinter...
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Yes Bob did a great job after the Multics compiler. From an implementation point of view I think the VAX implementation was a bit...
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Peter, et al, Not really. There is a reasonable precedence that ALL pre-C languages followed, but which apparently the authors of C didn't even look at. C and its decedents are the ONLY...
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Herman Rubin operators, Herman: I have been foollowing your comments on programming language on the internet for over ten years now. It...
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your part of To be clear on my part, my problem is that he typically is NOT telling us what he needs as a user. Too often he tells us how to implement...
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Yes, I understand that. TOPS-10 had oodles of customers who did exactly the same thing. The trick is to figure out what can be implemented that is...
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From perusing his posts, I get the impression that he needs something inserted between himself and...
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Herman Rubin bringing Henry: 1. Rhetorical question. You have stated the equivalent of "I believe I could do it easily in what could be called a HLL...
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That buttembly language happens to be the only easy way to make a computer do arithmetic...
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:12:22 -0500, Herman Rubin I've looked at J, briefly, but haven't used it. It didn't seem particularly mathematically friendly, as...
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I have also looked briefly at J, and it could even do some of the macro generation I would like, but it still does not...
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:02:53 -0500, Herman Rubin Well, that would seem to add back in (with knobs on!) a lot...
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I cannot do it easily with the present buttemblers. I believe I could do it with buttemblers with notation designed more for users than for the convenience of...
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Herman Rubin Are you familiar with the concept of a pre-compiler ? I have no idea...