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battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3549 Probably the way to operate is with 100yr old steam technology built on top of... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3550 Don't be absurd. How do you expect to pump water more effectively than the designs arrived at over hundreds of... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3551 AFAIK, that was only an issue with the rotary engines, which tended to spray oil. Those engines looked like the later... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3552 There is extensive industrial documentation on how this stuff is designed and built, all the way back to first principles... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3553 Now think about where this knowledge resides. Libraries are going high-tech. My public library is dumping... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3554 2 weeks ago I volunteered for a day at a small iron foundry in Ohio, helped... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3555 You get to a point where your goods are a lot more attractive than the money you get... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3556 It's the same thing. What is the "dollar value" of a bar of gold other than the... battles of the cultures was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3558 On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:16:59 +0000, jmfbahciv By all means, drag Clinton into this. Nobody seems to remember the big anti-Clinton sentiment among computer... old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3559 May not be that surprising. I recall a series of studies in the '80s (or 70's?) about how humans handle math. The argument... old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3560 They do complex calculations all the time that would take a math major hours to write in formalized notations. Just think about all the physics problems a farmer does in his head during a normal... math was: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 Eugene Miya BSCS -- Biological Sciences Curriculum Study (?), I think. Perhaps inspired by their understanding of how biodiversity contributes to survivability, and aware of how the relatively monocultural "new math" had been faring, they came... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3562 they I will buttume that ME means mechanical engineer. If she said that, then she... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3563 Yes! And finishing something. Yup. You've "made" something. No, the gear isn't key. It has to do with making something useful. I can't describe this; most of... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3564 snip I mentioned gear only because I thought earlier in the thread you were saying that one of the appeals of math... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3565 Small problems are fine. This is why Knuth numbered the difficulty of some of his problems... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3566 Small problems are necessary before tacking the big ones. Look, all analyses require chopping up a... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3567 While there are issues with introducing calculators before rote mastery of material (and that is a very large issue in math instruction these... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3568 Bernd Felsche I'm sorry, but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I can easily get 5 sig fig... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3569 Have you seen a Physics text recently? Many constants are give to 9 or more. Obviously someone considers more than three useful. The... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3570 Yes. But I talk with experimentalists. I'm going to go ask them. I always do get this stuff wrong. Another one... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3571 I remember a first year uni. chemistry lab where we had to calculate Avogadro's number using a graticule on an oil... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3572 It is the resolution. Generally the the accuracy is specified with an in some regions along the scale... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3573 When I was in HS (about 7 years before the film Stand and Deliver, so about the same time as events), it was recognized that... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3574 Ah, I understand now. Spanish in Florida sounds sensible. I didn't grow up in the city section of my area, but those kids had to learn German while in grade school. But I don't think... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3575 Precisely ... that is the problem with the Floridian proposal. Absolutely true. This will help with test taking. This won't help with literacy and fluency, a stated goal of someone I know who backs... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3576 Of course it depends on the individual. But based on the number of such people I've met, I think I can... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3577 Perhaps, but it has to be learned as if it were a separate language (which it actually is). The misconception I keep... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3578 Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj) writes: No problem. I think this is what's meant by the term "being in violent agreement". :-) I... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3579 Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj I've got nothing against that. But they *have* to master the language of whatever nation they're in. The practical effect of bi-lingual education, as opposed to... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3580 On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:24:17 -0400, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" Nor did I say you were. In... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3581 snip I think I get your point -- didn't someone well-known say something like "the best is the enemy of the good"? Still, my experience... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3582 snip If the program starts out with 100 bugs, and the person finds and fixes 50 of them, the resulting code still has at least... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3583 snip Yes, it probably does. Finding some bugs is often a good indicator that there are more bugs that haven't been found... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3584 This reminds me of something that seems *obvious* to me, but that my bosses *never* appreciated. There comes a time in... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3585 Sigh! This is fine and necessary but all it will do is tell you if you've... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3586 On Wed, 07 Jun 06 11:19:44 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, Comment in a book I read recently about OO being successful because you can't tell hacked... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3587 Oh, good grief. No wonder it's all a mess. No, we were talking about throwing out old code and replacing with new and the difficulties buttociated with doing... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3588 It's a combination of analytical thinking, analytical meta-thinking (if I may coin a phrase), and experimentation. The ones I mentioned... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3589 You have my permission; splitting the process up into these three categories is very useful. This is a really good distinction to... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3590 snip Very closely related indeed, and probably with similar, um, "installed bases". I should probably... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3591 This is very different here. The really attractive courses require grade averages in the "top of clbutt" levels. Two tiers of students go abroad; the ones that can get... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3592 But that will hurt the people who are stupid, esteem. I kid you not. This is how our Liberals are defining socialism. Equality means equality... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3593 snip ... No. We know that Bush and the Republicans value money above all else, and are thus opposed to wasting any of it on educating or feeding or... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3594 snip What I meant is that many of them come to college having already done some code-writing. Maybe that's only a few years' head start over what it was like... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3595 plug'nplaying is not taking apart the gear. But he didn't. Read it again..and again. and then read... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3596 snip Not sure what you mean by "plug 'n' play", but what I had in mind was more making changes that involve opening the (hardware) box... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3597 Of course he's famous. That doesn't make him right 100% of the time. He didn't practice what he taught. There is a difference between teaching theory and using it in the real world. For... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3598 snip-- take for example the problem of calculating the gravitational field of a sphere. i know immediately that doing the calculation in cartesian co-ordinates (x,y,z) is... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3599 Sure. I've got no problems with their compiler thinking. One does not apply it to OS. I have rabid problems with people who advocate one size (one OS or one... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3600 We agree on that. It's the structure of natural languages. One will always find exceptions. During the OS wars for Unix in the 80s I had another... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3601 There is something in people's minds that react to functional languages. I have tried to push collegues in the direction of more functional programming in several programming... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3602 snip -- stuff about Dijkstra replied to in another post more snip -- the list here is of background for CS When I say "proofs" I mean basic proof techniques -- how to set up... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3603 Very true, as I thought I had implied in the previous post. But, but .... In my previous post I included a reference to a 1968 plus 1 paper by... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3604 I know. I know. Theoreticians create new proofs or logics using the above tools. They work on stuff... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3605 It is stronger than desire. I get twitchy. I have to know. I may even sacrifice a first born to find the answer. The use of the... the new math: old battle of the lovees was: PDP1 3606 snip The most important lesson may have been that there seemed to be some intuition about the physical world that...
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