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Sounds nice. Except for the unremitting hard labor, of course. :-)?

Yeah. Must be another YMMV thing, I guess. My perception is that in a lot of middle-clbutt families girls and boys are encouraged in different directions, praised for different attributes, and so on.

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Agreed. It's just that discussions of how some things probably *are* innate seem to lead people to forget that .... How to put this. The average male can lift more weight than the average female. The best female weightlifter in the world isn't going to be remotely compebreastive with the best male. But there's some overlap -- some women who can lift more weight than some men. Similarly for a lot of other things. I just don't believe that all women have an inborn apbreastude for dealing with cranky five-year-olds, or that no men do. Most women, few men, sure ....

I think what we have here is a great example of how two people can hear the same thing and interpret it in radically different ways; either that or we weren't listening to the same feminists. Which I suppose is possible -- I mean, there's some diversity among people who identify themselves as such, and some of them have some ideas I don't like either.

I think you would agree that there have been a lot of changes in the past few decades, some of which corrected -- I can't say "unfairness", can I? but something like that. Women not being able to get loans without a male co-signer, women being excluded from occupations *some* of them were qualified for and interested in, etc., etc. You apparently think these would have happened without the "equal rights movement" (whatever you mean by that). I'm skeptical. Sometimes you need the extremists out there being, well, extreme, in order to get the mainstream to shift.

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It's supposed to be based on actual duties -- not job breastles, and not (necessarily) education or professional credentials.

The descriptions of work done by "physicans and surgeons" don't match very well with someone whose primary responsibility is managerial or administrative. There's another clbuttification -- "health care managers and administrators" I think -- that matches a lot better. Presumably the M.D. running a hospital would be clbuttified as the latter, if the clbuttification system is being used right. I don't know whether it is.

If you or anyone else knows of better sources of information, I'm open to suggestion.

I deliberately did *not* try to find and quote statistics about percentages of men-women applying to medical school or graduating from medical school, because while those are certainly interesting, and seem to make the news from time to time, it seemed to me that they wouldn't necessarily tell you anything about men-women actually practicing medicine.

-- B. L. Mbuttingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.