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There is a new "Glbutt Ceiling". Programmers can't move up into management as easily as the slightly competent tech girls who learn a little, work a little, and move upwards. They...

Yeah. I made an attempt to get more information yesterday, and found several links to NSF-funded reports that sounded promising, but they were all broken, and I didn't have the patience to go to NSF's Web site and try to track them down. Maybe another time. I'm getting curious about actual data-studies-etc., but don't have time to do much about it anytime soon.

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Ah, but you're talking about engineers, who aren't normal people. Once you cross over into the PHB realm, you find many people...

Agreed that this is not news. But it doesn't really address *why* they're different, and whether tinkering with society might make them more the same, and what consequences the statement "wow, men and women are different!" has ....

Maybe I will say just once in this thread -- and this isn't aimed at anyone in particular -- that while "PC" has its excesses, attacks on "PC idiocy!" always make me wonder if the attacker might secretly be longing for the good-for-some old days, when women and people with dark skins knew their place, etc., etc. Truth, justice, and the American Way (apologies to the non-US people here) probably lie somewhere in between ....

True.

I wasn't thinking solely about workplace compebreastion. What I had in mind was that it seems like sometimes men seem driven to compete shinier, etc., rather than getting on with some task that would be recognized as useful by both men and women. As a hypothetical but somewhat workplace-related example, consider a (male) manager whose ego demands that he have a computer that's newer and bigger-faster-etc. than those of his subordinates, even though all he's doing is a bit of word-processing and Web-surfing, and they're building software. My thinking is that he wants the snazzy computer because of some male-versus-male compebreastive drive, and it seems like in this case it drives up the budget and-or frustrates the workers to no good purpose.

-- B. L. Mbuttingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.



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