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winscape 2288winscape 2291 On Tue, 18 Oct 05 10:53:18 GMT Then it's not a bug the sysadmin doesn't know this, what the sysadmin does know is the default search path... Fair enough. Interesting. snip winscape 2289 On Mon, 17 Oct 05 11:43:13 GMT I think you misunderstand what it is - a tar file is just an archive file which can be unpacked (the format was originally designed for tape archives - in... snip winscape 2290 I don't think I was confused. These, distribution, installation, and end, are three separate procedures (although Java-flavors are mixing them up alarmingly). This is the bug. A sysadmin should not have... I think we're sufficiently in agreement that we don't have to pursue this. My experience with early multiuser systems is IBM-centric; it's enough to know that it might have been better with other systems. (And really, I didn't think it was so bad with IBM's stuff, though I was comparing it to using cards, and almost anything would have been better .... ) snip This is normally possible in Unixworld as well. What's a crock is setting things up so that only root can install, and only in system directories. My impression is that that is more likely with things packaged using these RPMs or whatever than with the older style using tar (where generally it *was* possible to install as non-root, and allow other people to use the installed software by setting file permissions appropriately). Other people have responded in this thread that I'm mistaken about this (RPMs or whatever being only installable by root). Yes. Exactly. Possible in Unix as well. I think we're sufficiently on the same page here that we can stop. Well, almost. When you talk about "the whole machine", you are talking about a single machine supporting many users, right? rather than some sort of farm of compute servers? I ask because with the former, its ability to support multiple users is finite, if large, and if you keep increasing the number of users, eventually it will bog down. That was kind of my point. The point at which it bogs down would probably astonish many people who have no exposure to mainframes or other high-end multi-user systems. But eventually you get there. -- B. L. Mbuttingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.
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