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In my opinion the semantic game here is yours. If a loose definition of the word "crime" is used I can see how you could *potentially* claim it be devoid of morality... but it all depends upon who is doing the looking. This is evidenced no better than the fact that even *you* prefaced your statement with the words "My view:".
You've stated YOUR view, here's MY view: If, in a certain locale, it is a "crime" (your use of the word crime is obviously limited to malum prohibitum) to do a specific thing... there is no guarantee that the "crime" in question can be extricated from the societal moral consensus that deemed the action a "crime" in the first place; in fact, I believe that, in any case whereby a reasonable person would consider the action a crime (as opposed to an infraction or violation), it won't be possible to remove the moral component (the right vs. wrong). In MY view the word "crime" coincides with the majority of the definitions for the word that I provide below (found on the net):
crime n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and-or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs.
an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.
Guilty in a moral sense, of course... as you're obviously not talking about legal guilt. ***************** Here is where your 'new' guilt argument sprang from... an old argument you made about Bush... of which I...
any offense, serious wrongdoing, or sin.
An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction.
Yes... in a moral sense (as opposed to a legal one). The very definition of "guilty" is being responsibility for having committed a "reprehensible" act (a crime, an offense), as opposed to a good...
Snit No, I cited several definitions, highlighted the one I was using, and stated that...
serious offense, especially one in violation of morality.
conduct that is prohibited and has a specific punishment (as incarceration or fine) prescribed by public law compare DELICT, TORT
You keep running from the facts: These were your claims: 1. Your HTML doesn't validate Ê Ê - Could be interpreted as a suggestion. I corrected my HTML since Ê Ê...
an offense against public law usually excluding a petty violation see also FELONY,
(criminal law) an act punishable by law; usually considered an evil act; "a long record of crimes" syn: law-breaking
Notice a common theme running through the majority of these definitions?
Injurious - wrongdoing - violation of morality - offense - evil act -
In MY view for a "crime" to occur there must "actually" be a wrongdoing (wrong as opposed to right)... this, as opposed to a "crime" created by statute (i.e. it's "breaking the law" to go whale fishing in Nebraska).
While such labeling makes your statement technically correct, I see such things being labeled a "crime" as a form of law worship... nothing more than semantic game playing. In MY opinion I have 'strongly supported' my view while you appear to merely be butterting yours... with no support whatsoever. Feel free to support your view at any time.
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