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The Mac is Dead! Long Live the Wintel PC! was Apple ahead of schedule 3113


Donald McDaniel

"Seattle Computer Products", not Seattle Micro.

That is grossly misrepresenting what occurred. Microsoft licensed QDOS for a pittance, turned around and licensed it to IBM for twice the price they paid for it, then bought the sole rights from SCP before they realized what had happened (again, for much, much less than it was actually worth). All-in-all, Microsoft paid something like $70,000 for an operating system that would earn them billions. Legal? Yes. Wise Business move? Absolutely. Ethical? No.

I would also like to point out that QDOS was very heavily based on CP-M-80. I would go so far as to call it a clone, considering it mirrored even the CP-M system calls. Probably as a result of 'reverse engineering'.

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Mike Originally, DOS was QDOS for Quick and Dirty Operating System. Just because they emphasized the word "Disk" when MS bought it...

Microsoft wrote their own BASIC interpreter that ran on many platforms (including the Apple II), this was really the first time there was any sort of compatibility between the various platforms. It was one of the only original ideas they've ever managed to come up with. However, it was not the first BASIC interpreter available for Apples. Steve Wozniak's BASIC interpreter was burned onto the ROMs that shipped with the box (which is why they could run Breakout).

As you have shown, not many Windroids understand this either.

That was *Digital Research* who wrote DR-DOS. The same people who made CP-M. The operating system QDOS was a poor clone of. Also, not all clones are reverse engineered from the existing product--though the ones with good compatibility generally are. Besides, why do you consider this unethical (as it seems with the wording you use)? Reverse engineering a product is probably more difficult than developing your own, especially if it's using the 'clean room' style.

Those are some pretty fundamental differences.

Which had, in turn, ripped off CP-M.

The US court system disagrees with you.

Pff. You can not seriously be this naive, can you? The only company I can think of that might be able to make such a claim is IBM, and I would doubt the veracity of that statement very seriously.

That depends on the country. The EU very nearly allowed ideas to be patented (as long as it was expressed as an algorithm).

Microsoft's genius is in being able to be more underhanded than the compebreastion. If that means announcing vaporware to kill innovative ideas made by small start-ups, so be it.

It's not jealousy, it's righteous indignation at Microsoft's past actions.

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Donald McDaniel Are you nuts? All machines that the majority can afford to own and run are...

I can butture you, Windows for Workgroups was still based on DOS (I've still got the WfW 3.11 install disks around here somewhere, though I doubt they would still work).

No, it was still a shell on top of DOS. Still had to run 'windows' at the command prompt and everything.

Read as "all low-level functions". That's how this level diagram works. Higher level APIs are just abstractions that allow easier development.

Uhh. I doubt that Vista will be the end of Windows NT. Hell, I doubt it will even be the end of Win32, unfortunately.

WfW was still MS-DOS based. It just added the limited 32-bit extension and networking support. It was MS-DOS based in the same way that Windows 95-98-ME was, only it was still a 16-bit environment. The limited Win32 environment was a separate package (and wasn't very compatible with the Windows NT environment, as I recall).

The Mac is Dead! Long Live the Wintel PC! was Apple ahead of schedule 3114
Greycloud!!! You went and did it! You FINALLY admitted that Apples are ALSO "PCs"!!!. Watchout...
The Mac is Dead! Long Live the Wintel PC! was Apple ahead of schedule 3116
Actually, the term "PC", CAN'T be used to get a trademark (or one which would hold up before the Supreme Court,) since it describes a GENERIC object, a "personal computer", of...

Right, because the NT line is based on NT. That applies only to Windows NT itself, Windows 2000, Windows XP, and now Windows Vista. The Consumer Debt line was still using MS-DOS up until Windows XP.

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No, it was a DOS. It was called MS-DOS for a reason. Notice that it wasn't called MS-OS. Similarly, OS-2 (and OS X) are not called DOS-2 and...

You really need to take it out of that nutshell.


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