Blame offshoring for the negatives of immigration 4559

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On Thu, 25 May 2005, Kamal R. Prasad

There is still enormous prejudice and discrimination here.

Indians

1. Many blacks have done this too. Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods are all black and wealthy. I can name more.

2. There is also a strong Indian network in the USA and if you care to read Kotkin's book "Tribes" (I have read it, cover to cover) you can learn how Indians (your own kind) operate. The book also talks about Jews, Japanese, and Chinese. And, Kotkin reports in the preface that he is a Jew. You should face up to some realities in real life, too.

3. Many Indians in the USA are just as bright as bright Americans and have nice homes and money just like many Americans who also have nice homes and money. However, Forbs magazine from '03 lists the richest 400 people in the USA and my impression is that most were born in the USA.

The property owner couldn't care less whether the renter-buyer is

The facts have been found in study after study and appeared in our media that blacks here really do suffer constant severe discrimination. From court sentencing to home loans to jobs. I am sorry about that, but I know not what will correct it. But, basically I am on firm ground in claiming that the sentence you wrote, above, is untrue.

I have heard enough stories that Chinese managers will hire only Chinese. I know laboratories headed by Jews and a preponderance of the help will be Jews. Arabs. Indians. Whites. Blacks. Religions. love. Rich. Poor. Sometimes a bribe is needed, sometimes kickback is demanded. Another discriminant is social status. Market forces, meaning "cheap labor" does play a role if the boss really does not have to be physically close to the "peasants".

I also know situations where the boss is X and there is much diversity in the workforce under the boss.

This may help India, but tens to hundreds of thousands to millions of US people are on "down" escalators, now, and will be till they die.

At that time, there wasn't a 1:1 corelation between the

Just as India is selling Indian "goods" (eg. IT services) to the US.....

So what

All the trends show trade deficits with all (most of the time) of our trading partners and the deficits are going up and more rapidly with time. Our industry has been demolished by greedy-selfish executives and now our services sector is rapidly being demolished and that includes all kinds of professional services including accounting, architecture, medical work, law and paralegal work and all I read says there is no end except when the only thing left here is Walmart and McDonalds and even there, almost everything can be robotized.

If

England once ruled the land and ruled the seas. Rome once had an empire. Russia once had an empire. I am not of those lands but I have enough imagination to be at least a little bit sympathetic with national pride. People I know who follow Indian websites show me news announcements about how wonderful everything is that is happening today in India. I have copies of Indian claims that Indians are the smartest, hardest-working, and most deserving people in the world. It seems to me that you are already looking down your nose at me.

And, of course, you think no one here should feel that something is being stolen from them, do you?

They move their money to where

You need to define the "best deal" and I can tell you that MY definition of the "best deal" includes price but also includes other things.

I've also mentioned that in the last year, there have been complaints about work shipped to India and that US companies have brought the work back and some others are deferring a decision to move jobs to India.

Does that mean dept store X exported a

I've bought some stuff that was made in China and while it was cheap, it also was poo.

I just told you of cases where the work was moved back to the US.

I can also tell you that more of my future buying decisions are going to involve my own legal discrimination against practices that I do not like and that I have become more active in calling attention to the fact that net job loss in the USA, coupled with a net population increase, means that more people will have to be supported by fewer working people and that will mean a decline in standard of living. In India, what the US means is an increase in India's standard of living and the ill will in the US about this will only grow. You can call it peeing, but I know a growing number of Americans whose concern is also growing.