Zogby poll: Americans fed up on illegal aliens Majority against Bush plan for workers... 101

On Wed, 11 May 2005 10:16:27 -0600, "Iconoclast"

You have the balls to present a UNION BLOG as some sort of data source?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats like going to the Vanguard (white supremicist websites) for data on blacks.

See above.

Go to the www.bls.gov cite listed. Look at the the big box in the center that says "latest numbers"

Unemployment Rate: History5.2% in Apr 2005

Payroll Employment: History+274,000(p) in Apr 2005

It was 5.7% under the BEST years of the Clinton administration. One should also note that the recession started during the Clinton administration, with the implosion of the DotCom balloon. Manufacturing started going in the toilet in the mid 90s. A good sign there was trouble in paradise was the huge numbers of auction notices that would fill my mail box since about 1996, and continued till 2003..when they started tapering off. We lost 22,000 US manufacturing companies from 1998-2002 in the US. Bushes fault?

Oh oh....when was Bush elected? 2000? Gosh..so it may not have been his fault the trend started in 1998 huh?

Why is it that the US is once again producing goods at rates equal too or better than those of 1997, with a loss of manufacturing jobs (and indeed there has been many). Its because the surviving companies have learned to work smarter and faster.

Ill give you an example..a simple one you can understand. Lug nuts.

A lug nut for your car wheel is a simple item. Just a hex shaped bit of metal, with a threaded hole in the middle. Correct? Can you tell me how many people it takes to make one? Lets look at it a bit shall we?

Raw material.

Mining transportation of ore to steel mill Steel mill (how many do we have left in the US?) (involves smelting, melting, pouring, forming and extruding the hex stock) Testing Transportation of hex bar to steel supplier Sales Transportation of hex bar to manufacturer Storing bar

Now comes the good stuff...

A department of people to inventory and order bar stock as its needed. No more can a company stock a few hundred tons of bar stock. "Just in Time" means you are shipping the finished product exactly as the replacement material comes in the loading dock. If you stock lugnuts on your shelves in the warehouse..the governent taxes you on them as "pending sales-buttets", no matter if you sell them all or not.

Old way: Our bar is now taken to a saw and its cut into slugs. The slugs are taken to a lathe and faced on both ends The slugs are then taken to a boring machine to be drilled The drilled slugs are then taken to a tapping machine to be threaded The tapped slugs are now taken to another lathe to be profiled The now semi finished slug is taken to an additional machine to be polished. The lug nut is now sent out to be heat treated. The lug nut is now heat treated (at least 5 people involved but we will not count them) The heat treated lug nut is now returned for finish polishing The now finished lug nut is now sent to a department that boxes, counts and gets the order ready to be shipped.

It goess out to shipping and is sent off.

Lets buttume that each operation above takes (1) person per.

Thats 21 people to manufacture one lug nut. 20 manufacturing jobs. Correct?

Now lets take a look at how its done today, shall we?

New way. Finished hex bar is shipped directly from Asian importer to factory (1) Bar is loaded into CNC lathe, where its drilled, tapped, profiled on both ends and cut off (1) Lug nut is sent off for heat treating (1) Lug nut is heat treated (at least 5 people involved but we will not count them) Lug nut is received (1) Lugnut is finished polished (1) Lug nut is boxed (1) Lug nut is shipped (1)

Total...8 manufacturing jobs. Difference is -13 manufacturing jobs.

Do you understand where this is going? We are still producing the same high quality lug nuts, but we are doing it with 13 less people. And this doesnt even account for the fact that we are now turning out TWICE as many lug nuts now than before in the same amount of time with 13 less people. (nearly 200% less people)

The cost involved means that the manufacture no longer has to pay the wages, and benifits for those 13 people, and maintain a plant that is big enough for them all to fit into. Parking lots, toilet paper, etc.

This is called streamlining, working faster and smarter.

Now where did those 13 now unemployed people wind up? Working at Home Depot if they are lucky. Where did the Buggy Whip and horse collar makers wind up when the gasoline engine replaced the horse? Shrug.

As I said...the genie is out of the bottle and there is no stuffing it back in, as much as we wish.

In my opinion, the only and best thing we can do is remove the tax benifits of outsourcing. Penalize employers who hire illegals.

And that frankly is about all we can do. Oh..we can ease environental and other similar local, state and federal regulations that are imposed (revenue generation-feelgoodism) on manufactures.

Got any suggestions, based on the data above?

I and the manufacturers of America are waiting with bated breath for your response.

Gunner

Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli