Register says DFS is wrong... 685

Ray Ingles

Losing your entirehome directory to a malicious program is no small matter, especially considering the subscription fees I paid for some of the downloads (wink wink nudge nudge say no more)

Every app has potential security concerns. Here's one for KStars

Also, I think you and some of the other cola nuts need to powwow and decide on a single storyline and stick to it. You're confusing us simple, linear-thinking Windows users. Kelsey Bjarnason and spike1 and Gentoo man Thierry something or other claim the advisories posted to www.linuxsecurity.com address the security issues found in 8500+ apps. Since the linuxsecurity.com advisories posted during 2004 addressed at most 200 programs (admittedly my estimate), some 8,300 offer 1) close to perfect security, or 2) haven't been exposed to sunlight - ever.

And they never will.

I think this definition of the adjective form fits quite a lot of Linux apps: "Foul or stale from standing..."

Not much of an advantage, at all, considering the difficulty to:

- find and replicate the problem - understand the problem - determine which app(s) must be altered - determine which file(s) must be altered - knowing the programming language - writing the code - recompiling the code - testing the fix - redeploying the fix - testing the redeployment

That's a tiny universe of users, even among the Linux illiterati.

hmmm...where have I seen 'tainted' before, in this very thread? Oh yes, spike1 used the same word. So, did you plagiarize from him, or did he plagiarize from you. Knowing what I know of you both, I strongly suspect he plagiarized from you.

I think your own usage provides you enough evidence, doesn't it? It's a given Windows boots much quicker than Linux, even with many more services starting up. And once in Linux, it just doesn't have a snappy feel. Some apps, like OpenOffice.org, are just plain pitiful. Others are quick, but in general not close to the near instantaneous response I get from my Windows system. I tell you, many Windows apps open so fast it almost seems like they're coded in buttembler.

Slow on both. FireFox was always much slower to load on Windows than IE (in my experience). OO.o for Windows launches much quicker than the Linux version.

Here again, it's my experience that Windows shuts down about 2x as fast as Linux (8 seconds vs. 15 seconds). I admit my WinServer system sometimes hangs during shutdown. Know why? I recently installed a piece of junk called MusicMatch Jukebox, didn't like the hard sell, and the uninstall didn't work correctly. Now a process named mim.exe is sometimes preventing a clean shutdown. I'm about to nuke it completely with some registry editing.

You're right; everyone knows what this stuff means:

Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: kernel BUG at include-linux-blkdev.h:565! Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: invalid operand: 0000 #1 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: Modules linked in: parportpc lp parport 8250 serialcore raid1 rtc Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: CPU: 0 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: EIP: 0060:scsirequestfn+315-720 Not tainted Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: EFLAGS: 00010046 (2.6.8.1) Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: EIP is at scsirequestfn+0x13b-0x2d0 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: eax: 00000001 ebx: dfcb5afc ecx: 0012f248 edx: dfcb5afc Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: esi: c17da000 edi: effb9600 ebp: efc01028 esp: eff16f48 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: Process kblockd-0 (pid: 5, threadinfo=eff16000 task=eff60030) Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: Stack: efc01028 00000292 effbf480 efc01028 c17da18c c025910e efc01028 efc01128 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: c025911f efc01028 c0259151 efc01028 c011ed13 efc01028 eff16000 eff93f58 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: effbf480 c011eb84 effbf480 effbf48c c0259144 ffffffff ffffffff 00000001 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: genericunplugdevice+50-56 genericunplugdevice+0x32-0x38 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: genericunplugdevice+11-16 genericunplugdevice+0xb-0x10 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: blkunplugwork+13-20 blkunplugwork+0xd-0x14 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: workerthread+399-520 workerthread+0x18f-0x208 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: workerthread+0-520 workerthread+0x0-0x208 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: blkunplugwork+0-20 blkunplugwork+0x0-0x14 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: defaultwakefunction+0-28 defaultwakefunction+0x0-0x1c Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: defaultwakefunction+0-28 defaultwakefunction+0x0-0x1c Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: kthread+112-160 kthread+0x70-0xa0 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: kthread+0-160 kthread+0x0-0xa0 Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: kernelthreadhelper+5-12 kernelthreadhelper+0x5-0xc Jan 7 17:52:33 river kernel: Code: 0f 0b 35 02 37 b6 36 c0 90 8d 74 26 00 8b 43 04 89 42 04 89 Jan 7 20:02:20 river syslogd 1.4.1#16: restart.

Contrast that straightforward message to the cryptic mess I find in Windows Event Viewer (application errors):

"Faulting application firefox.exe, version 1.0.0.0, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x00000000." or "OracleAgent failed to initialize its general context" or "Hanging application MSACCESS.EXE, version 11.0.6355.0, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000."

Windows is a mess, I tell you. A mess.

It's not that we don't see the Linux error messages - it's that a quick glance at them causes your eyes to glaze over as the tech gobbledygook nauseates your brain.

I'm sure there are tools to see the same things in Windows.

Go to Administrative Tools Event Viewer and look at your system event logs and it might tell you exactly what the problem was.

And in the quality of those games, and in the quality of the office productivity apps, and the photo apps, and the music apps, and the video editing apps, and the financial apps, and so on and so on... Linux has improved the desktop experience, no doubt, but I don't think it's up to the Windows standard.

I don't think so, Ray. At all. Console graphics and controllers blow chunks.