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On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:27 -0700, TheLetterK wrote
Since God is by very definition "moral", and all His deeds are "good', being Himself "Good" in His very Nature, any act He does would be deemed "moral" and "good" if they were judged by a righteous Judge (none of which exist in the world, anyway). Therefore, no act which He performs can be found to be "immoral". In other words, you are spewing out your butthole, now, friend.
The difference between "a god created in the image of a man" (anthropomorphic) and "man made in the Image of God" (which would be the OPPOSITE of "anthropomorphic") doesn't get your attention? I guess the "details" don't bother you any, do they. No wonder you're spewing out of your butthole.
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Donald L McDaniel No, it simply holds authority. Much as one could reject the authority of the government, so to could one reject the authority of this theoretical deity. Neither does authority...
"Sounds dreadfully"? Strange construction. "How does "dreadfully" sound? Well, I guess it could be justified. While it "sounds dreadful" to the ear, it may still be a proper English construction. I guess there are times when an adjective can be used as an adverb, after all (maybe my grammar-school English teachers were just wrong). Apparently you think so, anyway. But I digress.
Since you are looking for a thing or force, rather than a PERSON, the Holy Spirit, obviously you don't recognize Him when He does woo you.
What does living a temperate life have to do with worshipping anyone or anything?
In the first place, no man can live a temperate enough life to get into Heaven on the strength of his good deeds. He must also have a clean heart and clean hands. While good deeds can clean our hands, they cannot clean our hearts.
This includes EVERY MAN who has ever lived on the face of the Earth, except Jesus. He alone was sinless in His heart.
I'm sorry, man, but I guess I am just not intelligent enough to understand what you are saying. But that's ok. I'm sure if it were something I needed to know, God would reveal it to me.
1) God is not a Man. 2) God is not a Magician. 3) We are not actually "ants" and "worms". 4) The Universe is not a computer in any form. It is the manifestation of the Infinite God's Creative Power in the lower 4 dimensions. Even quantuum physicists teach that there are many more than 4 dimensions, and in fact, they could be infinite in number.
Very witty and nerdy. But more like Science Fiction than theology.
Since God has no character flaws, you certainly aren't hearing it from me.
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Donald L McDaniel Excuse me? You have not actually demonstrated this. Why would this bother me? I don't harbor any guilt over my actions. Why would I perform...
God did expect His creations to use their free wills. Even more, He KNEW beforehand that they would use it to do EVIL, as well as GOOD. As He told Adam in the Garden, "I put in this Garden both the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. You are free to eat of ANY tree in the Garden, EXCEPT the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil". In other words, he did have a "free will", but ONLY to partake of Eternal Life or of other trees in the Garden. God did NOT give the man permission to partake of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. This means that Adam acted in OPPOSITION to God's command when he and his wife ate of the deadly fruit, through their OWN wills, not the "free will" which God gave them.
This single act of rebellion INFECTED all of their children, and their childrens' childrens' children's childrens' (and generation after generation, down to this present day).
Only if they are cultists.
And He would simply laugh at your little futile attempt to find fault with Him, then crush you like a bug.
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:45:58 -0700, George Graves wrote Too bad your "reward" will not be "oblivion". You will be conscious of all which transpires...
Never find fault with your host, my friend. God is the Host of this Universe. It only shows "good form" and wisdom to please Him from the heart.
As He most surely will.
Nope. The Indus Valley civilization of Mohenjodaro, and the Babylonian and Sumerian civilizations were the first to anthropomorphize their gods, as is proven by the many idols in the forms of men, women, and children found in their ruined cities. Remember, even Abraham, when he left Ur, brought his "household idols" with him. These were certainly "gods" in the form of human beings. This was before the appearance of Greek culture in the Mediterranean. But human beings had used idols in the forms of men and women for thousands of years before this.
The human population was never "reduced" to two people. It has done just the opposite: it has GROWN from two people, when He created the First Two, to almost 6 billions today.
During the time of the Universal Flood of Noah, the population WAS "reduced" to EIGHT people (Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives were all who were left on the face of the Earth after the Flood waters dispersed). But God has blessed man's fertility from the beginning, so the population was restored to what it is today.
' Obviously, we are in the same group(that is, the group of English-speakers).
It can occur, if you will allow God to reveal Himself to you. You will have no doubt about it when and if it does, I butture you.
I myself believe that worshipping a "single anthropomorphic god" IS just as wrong as "worshipping rats, monkeys, and snakes", since I do not worship such a god. Rather, I worship the only Living God, in Whose Image we are made, not Who is made in our image. In other words, we did not create our God in our image, He created us in His.
With this I fully agree. However, Paul tells us to give honor unto whom honor is due. They are due honor for at least being able to conceive of a Single God Who is the Creator of all which exists. Which is much more than the Europeans were ever able to do..
Yeh, well, the Peruvian Indians sacrificed young virgins to the Sun, and the Aztecs piled up corpse after corpse in sacrifice to their terrible gods.
Since I have never had a hallucination in my entire life, I certainly wouldn't say that "my hallucinations told me so", as you accuse me of having done.
Men of the flesh seldom see a need for the Supernatural, do they? But you will not be able to defeat the Enemy of all mankind, my friend. The day WILL come in which you will breathe your last breath, and your body will return to the dust from which it is made, and your spirit will return to the God Who gave it.
Well, how about "the ability to discriminate between right and wrong"? Or would you rather trust your own conscience (which is about as dependable as a source of morality as the cries of a baby, since it is subject to the demands of your feelings and hungers, and will approve of pretty much anything you want, when push comes to shove).
Is that what you get out of "Dianetics"? It is crazier than I previously thought.
No, because their source is in Satan, rather than God.
I don't believe that either "good" or "evil" are so much "feelings" as "deeds and atbreastudes of the heart"
Satan seldom shows his true nature to men. Else he would not be able to deceive them so easily. After all, no "rational" person WANTS to do evil, or follow an evil leader, without more than a little propaganda being tossed at him.
As Paul tells us, "renew the spirit of your minds through the Gospel". I have been "brainwashed", and it has been a gradual process, and one which I have been fully aware of all the time, and I have accepted this "brainwashing" willingly and joyfully. I butture you, my thought processes have only gotten BETTER, not WORSE. And they have only been "FREED", not "suppressed".
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The question that I always like to ask these "lay-preachers" such as MacDaniel, is: What is one...
To your own peril and destruction, I fear.
This I personally doubt. Jesus Himself tells us, "they will hate you, and say all manner of evil things about you, because you are My servants..." So I have no doubt that they hate me. And I accept this, willingly. And do not allow this hatred to affect my behavior or thoughts toward them.
When a man becomes a committed Christian, he knows just what he is in for from the world, and expects no other behavior from them, and counts their behavior toward themselves as opportunities to be further joined to Christ in His Suffering.
If I possess any authority, it is only the authority which comes from submitting to the Will of God, and shows itself only through my actions. Other than that, I possess no authority, as men count "authority".
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:09:03 -0700, TheLetterK wrote In God's case, HE is the ULTIMATE Authority, so HE makes the rules, ethics...
I claim to be nothing but a sinner, like all sinners, and a poor servant of Christ and my fellow-man. But I also claim that this Christ has borne our (and my) sin in His Own Body on the Cross. And I claim that He was buried, dead, in the ground for three days and nights, and on the Third Day, He rose from among the Dead and came out of the Tomb, and then appeared to the two Marys, and John and Andrew, at various times, and even to as many as 500 fellow-believers at once, and to all the Apostles, even Thomas, the Doubter, who fell at His Feet, worshipping and crying "my Lord and my God!", when he put his own fingers into the holes of His Wounds, and lastly, to Paul the Select-man of Christ, as an Apostle born out of his proper time.
I make no claims other than those.
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