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Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate
There are people who don't like the BSD license and there are those who don't like the GPL license. I know it is a long standing debate, but I haven't seen it discussed...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5153
begin oeprotect.scr This is entirely a reverse from my experience. I'm nervous about contributing changes to BSD projects, because my changes can be taken away and relicensed on different terms, terms which...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5154
begin oeprotect.scr The problem with this is that in real life, it's possible to do very very...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5155
Mark Space I disagree with this position entirely. Strategies in business are not unlike strategies in War. I would say, especially in the case of a foundation or public funding, that GPL be used. Foundation...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5156
mlw I went through a similar internal debate when I released some code I had written. I ultimately released it under LGPL (these were libraries...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5157
On Mon, 22 May 2006 08:50:05 -0400, mlw This is the typical quid pro quo rationale for using the GPL, which flies in the...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5158
Tim Smith Even if Linux took BSD code for its networking stack, Linux code is available to everyone. The following is an extract from the *New* BSD license "Redistribution and use in...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5159
Stuart Krivis SNIP I'm not too fond of this argument in that it ignores some basic...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5160
Erik Funkenbusch Really? It is free, as in freedom to "use." No it is freedom without protection, and freedom without protection often turns out not to be freedom at all. Kerberos comes...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5161
On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:20:03 -0400, mlw Flawed argument. If I use your code, i'm not denying you the use of that code, if I use your lawnmower, you can't use...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5162
The Ghost In The Machine That sounds a lot like Windows 16bit thinking. A thunk, created with MakeProcInstance, would be a small stub that when jumped too, would load...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5163
Erik Funkenbusch It is about "ownership" not "use." Without actually asking him directly, we'll just have to disagree. Nothing, except that the changes would be made public and we could choose to incorporate the...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5164
I've always seen it like Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Lower laws are in effect as long as a higher law isn't violated. Something like: 1) The freedom of the code is...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5165
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2006-05-25, Byron A Jeff spake thusly: Rather than goe into confusing "if a gives the...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5166
On 25 May 2006 19:45:02 -0400, Byron A Jeff The original code is still free. While I agree with you in part, I don't think disingenuous is the...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5167
You keep saying that like it means something. The enitre purpose of Embrace and Extend is to make the original codebase worthless and the new codebase the only...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5168
No it doesn't. Don't try 1984 doublespeak where "The code can only be free if it has the right not to be free." It...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5168 plus 1
On 26 May 2006 18:45:38 -0400, Byron A Jeff You seem to miss the point. Ok, so superceding the original free code base devalues the original free code base. No it doesn't...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5170
No. Superceding the original free code base with a closed source modified code base devalues the original free code base. More restrictions than the original codebase? I think not. The original codebase requires that source...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5171
Erik Funkenbusch Yes. I don't believe that it is morally necessary for the *exact* same license to be used. You...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5172
Good to see you wade back into the fray, mlw! I certainly don't. The original BSD author made a conscious choice to allow their code to be used downstream in any fashion downstream...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5173
On 1 Jun 2006 16:17:58 -0400, Byron A Jeff That is definately true to a point. The BSD author did make that conscious decision, and for the most part doesn't care what you...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5174
Qualify that. Once the mods are GPLed, they cannot be used in a closed source manner. If everything is open, nothing has changed. So this whole warpath you've...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5175
On 1 Jun 2006 20:03:13 -0400, Byron A Jeff Or a differntly licensed open source...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5176
Erik Funkenbusch Yup. Who's "annoyance?" Certainly not the BSD guy, this is what he explicitly allowed. How is it not fair? If a GPL...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5177
The sky is green. And how did the GPL author do that? I'll presume that he received the original code from the BSD developer. You keep talking about this "folding" action as a requirement. But...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5178
On 1 Jun 2006 20:42:41 -0400, Byron A Jeff Man, you have a seriously f***ed up way of thinking. No. Another concrete example. Let's take a project like, say...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5179
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:30:03 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch No, but Ken does have the ability to reverse-engineer...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5180
On 1 Jun 2006 16:23:19 -0400, Byron A Jeff This argument doesn't work, because code is an electronic copy that does not in any way diminish...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5181
Ah. The clbuttic argument. Can I play? Hmmm. The sky is green. The sky is green! THE SKY IS...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5182
On 1 Jun 2006 19:35:24 -0400, Byron A Jeff You're not actually addressing the argument. Are you suggesting that the original work is diminished? No, it's not. The...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5183
Erik Funkenbusch I don't agree with that argument at all and it is bogus from the start. The BSD developer, by releasing something...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5184
A proper yard care implement analogy may be this: BSD: A guy builds lawn mowers for fun and-or learning. He gives away the lawn mowers to anyone no strings attached...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5185
On 1 Jun 2006 18:57:28 -0400, Byron A Jeff Not really. Yep. Ok. Right, except now...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5186
snips On Wed, 31 May 2006 07:39:48 +0100, Mark Kent Say what? How does it...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5187
I'm going to continue to try to get this discussion back on course. The trap is the use of the word freedom. Once you talk about freedom you have to attach...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5188
Byron A Jeff NO is is about how to protect the freedom of someone to use their computer they way they wish, and to protect this greater freedom, we must...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5189
You've quite enjoyed repeating this over and over again. You keep giving your discussion from the...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5190
How about it offers recourse if someone violates the terms of the license? Snip I'm not following here. Let's work through your example. And...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5191
Well yes and no. The original developer (OD) can choose to place a GPL license on their...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5192
snips On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:01:42 +0100, Mark Kent It's really hard *not* to call someone a gibbering idiot when they sit there drooling on themselves in public...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5193
Kelsey Bjarnason What is missing from this discussion is an understanding of who has rights to what, and who has limitations...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5194
snips On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:05:23 -0400, mlw Not really; BSD and GPL are reasonably clear. So's copyright. There are nuances to each which can...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5195
Kelsey Bjarnason True. As an "original" author and owner, you can release as much or...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5196
snips On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:35:49 -0400, mlw Not really. And therefore, he can released it...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5197
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:11:01 +0100, Mark Kent Nonsense. You're using that clbuttic FSF "Pretend a restriction is a...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5198
snips On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:11:01 +0100, Mark Kent And I do not agree, because itremovesthe freedom to release code and...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5199
snips On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:31:47 +0100, Mark Kent Really? Find me the description of GPL in the copyright laws. What's that? Doesn't exist? Right. Copyright law applies to...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5200
Here you are engaging in intentional deception again. The ORIGINAL developer always has any option he or she chooses...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5201
begin oeprotect.scr So much for 'extra freedom'. The GPL has been extremely carefully written (designed?) to maximise freedom for all. That giving extra freedom to one person removes freedom from another seems to be difficult...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5202
snips On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:41:59 +0100, Mark Kent Since it gives nobody any extra...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5203
It can obsolete the original code base. If you have a code base with features...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5204
That point always comes along at some point. But the original author doesn't get the full benefit of the modificiations. 1) The original author may have to...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5205
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2006-05-26, Byron A Jeff spake thusly: This is essentially what happened to Richard Stallman, and what subsequently led...
Let's have a GPL vs BSD debate 5206
On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:33:22 -0400, Byron A Jeff FreeBSD was created for its...
Serial port comunication problem in linux
Hi all, I am having problem comunication with serial port in linux. I have tested the serial...
Shelley the Republican again 5208
I disagree. This blog is a total sham and the authors are trying at dry satire. Tristan tipped his hand in this response to a post: ===== Q: why do you keep inserting pix...
Shelley the Republican again 5209
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Microsoft By The Hour
Microsoft Corp. Develops Technology for People to Pay for PC by the Hour ... The technology, called FlexGo, will be used as part of efforts to...
RFC Wireless Terminal Workstation
Picture a small appliance about the size of a CDROM Drive. It has VGA, 2xPS2, 2xUSB ports, a power switch and an antenna. Everything is firmware based, no moving parts, no hard drive...
RFC Wireless Terminal Workstation 5214
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, rapskat wrote on Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:33 -0400 I'm buttuming WebMin here. OK thus far. I should note that one can find Linux computers for about the...
RFC Wireless Terminal Workstation 5215
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2006-05-23, Jim spake thusly: Cool setup! Since you mentioned...
RFC Wireless Terminal Workstation 5216
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2006-05-23, The Ghost In The Machine spake thusly: I have found that car batteries can work...
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