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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:05:52 GMT, mayayana staggered into the Black Sun and said:

Ah. OK, no worries.

It's all about the follow-through. Make sure the questioner really understands what they need to know, and they won't ask the same questions over again :-) .

Maybe not. X's core functions are in Xlib and are both very basic (draw line from point X,Y to point Z,W) and somewhat arcane. GTK+-KDE are much more friendly, but they're also complex. If you really want to do some programming in GTK+, it's fairly easy to install the Gtk2::Perl module. The Perl bindings for GTK2 allow you to do things without worrying about memory management, which is always nice.

Yep, "widget" seems to be what people who program GUI apps call those things. I think that even MSDN may use that term....

Nope. All that a window manager does is control the position and size of the windows X clients are displayed in, and draw the borders and frames of those clients' windows. You may be thinking of a "desktop environment" here. A desktop environment is a relatively large collection of programs, all using the same widget set, all designed to help a user get work done.

KDE and GNOME are the big desktop environments. They're considered "heavyweight" because they define a protocol that apps can use to talk to each other, they're themeable, they use a fair amount of RAM, and they start a fair number of processes.

You're always using a window manager in X unless you're running a window manager is the steering wheel. The desktop environment is the

2 steps forward, one step back. Maybe there's a bug open?

wine 9.5? Hmm, wine --version gives me "Wine 20050930" which may be older or newer than your wine. Yes, ProgressQuest is a free-beer game that's fairly silly, but it is a Windows app and it shows a bug in wine that I'm still wondering if they're ever going to fix. (I don't know enough about the lowlevel bits of Win32 to really help them fix it though.)

In KDE, if it looks like a button, it probably is a button, and you should click it at least once to find out what it'll do. For example, right-click a directory, choose Properties, click the button that similar scheme to change the icons of various things. HTH,

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